Low Sausage '16 Bro vs. No Sausage 16' SS
06-14-2016, 10:29 PM
#441
Whats to wonder about the stock equipment on a base GT? ITs a base car made to be cheap.
Whats so special about the run flats on a new base SS car that still outperforms a PP mustang with better tires on a track?
The mustang is the cheapest car in the segment for a reason.
Better stock tires and or equipment aren't free.
Some of you must have missed the 1le and z28 comparison where they switched the tires between them. They put the trofeos on the 1le and it gained very little. Suspension tuning is required to get the most out of a new tire.
Whats so special about the run flats on a new base SS car that still outperforms a PP mustang with better tires on a track?
The mustang is the cheapest car in the segment for a reason.
Better stock tires and or equipment aren't free.
Some of you must have missed the 1le and z28 comparison where they switched the tires between them. They put the trofeos on the 1le and it gained very little. Suspension tuning is required to get the most out of a new tire.
For $1100 and the Ford Racing Handling package, you can take a base GT and outperform a 1LE in the turns. I know this because my buddy had is 2015 Perf. Pak GT, and installed the FR handling kit. This same friend also traded his 2013 1LE in on his Mustang. He said without a doubt, before the handling pack, the 1LE handled better... after the handling pack, the Mustang handled better. This is from an owner of both cars, and he is not biased. He is an engineer... so if you know those types of folks, they are pretty **** about details.
06-14-2016, 11:02 PM
#442
While the suspension is a little on the soft side on the Base GT, the brakes are nothing to hate on. 14" Dual piston fronts and forgot the rears... I believe it is pretty much the same size as the 2013-2014 Track Pak cars had.
For $1100 and the Ford Racing Handling package, you can take a base GT and outperform a 1LE in the turns. I know this because my buddy had is 2015 Perf. Pak GT, and installed the FR handling kit. This same friend also traded his 2013 1LE in on his Mustang. He said without a doubt, before the handling pack, the 1LE handled better... after the handling pack, the Mustang handled better. This is from an owner of both cars, and he is not biased. He is an engineer... so if you know those types of folks, they are pretty **** about details.
For $1100 and the Ford Racing Handling package, you can take a base GT and outperform a 1LE in the turns. I know this because my buddy had is 2015 Perf. Pak GT, and installed the FR handling kit. This same friend also traded his 2013 1LE in on his Mustang. He said without a doubt, before the handling pack, the 1LE handled better... after the handling pack, the Mustang handled better. This is from an owner of both cars, and he is not biased. He is an engineer... so if you know those types of folks, they are pretty **** about details.
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06-14-2016, 11:14 PM
#443
We don't have scientific data mang... He owned both cars, and drives pretty fast, and very well in lots of twisties(Has owned Supra TT, Evos, other fast cars that handle well). This is just his opinion after owning both cars and driving the same roads very spirited. He scared the **** out of me in both cars btw. 
06-14-2016, 11:16 PM
#444
We put a D1SC Procharger on his car, and after a little bit, he took it off and traded for a 2016 GT with Auto, 3.15 gear like mine.. we reinstalled the Procharger.. but he also had another FR handling pack installed on the auto car too. It really does transform the car.
06-14-2016, 11:16 PM
#445
We don't have scientific data mang... He owned both cars, and drives pretty fast, and very well in lots of twisties(Has owned Supra TT, Evos, other fast cars that handle well). This is just his opinion after owning both cars and driving the same roads very spirited. He scared the **** out of me in both cars btw.
06-15-2016, 12:19 AM
#449
While the suspension is a little on the soft side on the Base GT, the brakes are nothing to hate on. 14" Dual piston fronts and forgot the rears... I believe it is pretty much the same size as the 2013-2014 Track Pak cars had.
For $1100 and the Ford Racing Handling package, you can take a base GT and outperform a 1LE in the turns. I know this because my buddy had is 2015 Perf. Pak GT, and installed the FR handling kit. This same friend also traded his 2013 1LE in on his Mustang. He said without a doubt, before the handling pack, the 1LE handled better... after the handling pack, the Mustang handled better. This is from an owner of both cars, and he is not biased. He is an engineer... so if you know those types of folks, they are pretty **** about details.
For $1100 and the Ford Racing Handling package, you can take a base GT and outperform a 1LE in the turns. I know this because my buddy had is 2015 Perf. Pak GT, and installed the FR handling kit. This same friend also traded his 2013 1LE in on his Mustang. He said without a doubt, before the handling pack, the 1LE handled better... after the handling pack, the Mustang handled better. This is from an owner of both cars, and he is not biased. He is an engineer... so if you know those types of folks, they are pretty **** about details.
1100 added to the price of the PP would bring the price to within 400 bucks of a base 6g SS not counting installation and alignment. And then it's still a half second slower in the 1/4.
The cars are pretty close in performance value any way you cut it. But the advantage to some for the SS is that all the performance comes oem and warrantied.
06-15-2016, 09:56 AM
#450
Itd another known fact that Goodyear 1LE track tires have a very stiff sidewall, which helps a lot for road racing, but its not good for the 0-60ft, hence why stock SS fast list have better 0-60 and 1/4 scores (plus the better gearing advantage). C5 forums have bad rep, but there is good info too.
When I switched the G2 for Michelin AS3, it felt like I was riding on a cloud instead of rails.
06-15-2016, 11:54 AM
#451
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One of those intakes has already gotten more than 1 S550 120mph traps with the same mods as me. We shall see huh?
And I didnt go slower with the Steeda intake.. I just didnt gain anything with the NO TUNE setup with the restrictor. Going to try it without restrictor... tuner is sending me a revised tune as we speak..
Your little Lol. Said it all on our mods list. That right there proves to me that Phils car will not keep up with me mod for mod. Let me get a stall, lightweight driveshaft, long tube headers and no cats on my car, as I am sure yall are doing or have done. It wouldnt stand a chance in hell. Oh, and if we meet up to run... we WILL run across a truck scale beforehand, or no deal.
This is just to prove whether holesaw it or not and claim not to
And I didnt go slower with the Steeda intake.. I just didnt gain anything with the NO TUNE setup with the restrictor. Going to try it without restrictor... tuner is sending me a revised tune as we speak..
Your little Lol. Said it all on our mods list. That right there proves to me that Phils car will not keep up with me mod for mod. Let me get a stall, lightweight driveshaft, long tube headers and no cats on my car, as I am sure yall are doing or have done. It wouldnt stand a chance in hell. Oh, and if we meet up to run... we WILL run across a truck scale beforehand, or no deal.
This is just to prove whether holesaw it or not and claim not to
So is this 500 based on Phil coming to the table with same mods? Or with his car full sausaged out? Driveshaft? Long tubes? Cats? 3lb clutch? You know my mods. I can surely wait to race until I have equal mods tho. Like longtubes, driveshaft, lightweight brakes, stall etc etc etc...
Tell you what. I have 1000 saying with exact verifiable mods on our cars without weight reduction (other than what the catback, drag pack gives) his car wint touch mine mod for mod. We would roll across a scale before said races too.
Tell you what. I have 1000 saying with exact verifiable mods on our cars without weight reduction (other than what the catback, drag pack gives) his car wint touch mine mod for mod. We would roll across a scale before said races too.
You have a 116 trap car that leaves decent from a dig.....Not that hard to achieve to get a 5gen to run with you from a roll.
Really? 2-3mph? Hmm... my car on stock tune catback only on street tires went 89.6mph in the 1/8th. With flex tune, e85, and drag pack it has trapped 93.5. So you are telling me 90% of my trap speed increase came from the e85 and drag pack? Wow... that would mean my 93 side of the flex tune should only give me 1mph huh? Lol... them bench racers...
1-2 mph on a short track like a 1/8 would be a pretty good gain from a 93 side of a tune.
But lets break this down......strikingly similar in you eyes us probably 4-8lb. Over 4 wheels and tires that could be up to 32lb more rotating weight. Do you think that 32lb would help your car accelerate?
Not to mention the wider contact patch.
My bet is 1le wheel/tire package is likely closer to 40lb vs mustang wheels. Of course i think there are several mustang wheels so that could vary
While the suspension is a little on the soft side on the Base GT, the brakes are nothing to hate on. 14" Dual piston fronts and forgot the rears... I believe it is pretty much the same size as the 2013-2014 Track Pak cars had.
For $1100 and the Ford Racing Handling package, you can take a base GT and outperform a 1LE in the turns. I know this because my buddy had is 2015 Perf. Pak GT, and installed the FR handling kit. This same friend also traded his 2013 1LE in on his Mustang. He said without a doubt, before the handling pack, the 1LE handled better... after the handling pack, the Mustang handled better. This is from an owner of both cars, and he is not biased. He is an engineer... so if you know those types of folks, they are pretty **** about details.
For $1100 and the Ford Racing Handling package, you can take a base GT and outperform a 1LE in the turns. I know this because my buddy had is 2015 Perf. Pak GT, and installed the FR handling kit. This same friend also traded his 2013 1LE in on his Mustang. He said without a doubt, before the handling pack, the 1LE handled better... after the handling pack, the Mustang handled better. This is from an owner of both cars, and he is not biased. He is an engineer... so if you know those types of folks, they are pretty **** about details.
Lolz
06-15-2016, 12:14 PM
#452
How in the world did we go from comparing the 1le to the performance pack and now we're talking about base wheels and regular SS wheel weights? Besides the base GT wheel/tire set like mine are over 54lbs!! Not exactly light weights. Lol
06-15-2016, 03:39 PM
#455
06-15-2016, 08:48 PM
#456
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I don't know why drag cars don't just run 20" wheels since a lighter smaller diameter wheel has no benefit. Maybe we will see some donk drag cars in the near future.
06-15-2016, 08:50 PM
#457
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^^^^^^lol
There isn't much of a comparison between the 1le and pp. The 1le walks all over it.
54lb is light when we're talking about a 5gen wheel of 70+lb. I wanna say phils 2012 5gen rears were like 76 lb. The fronts were a little lighter because they're smaller. So now were looking at 44lb of rotating on just the rear tires and 32 on the fronts give or take. 76lb or so more rotaing vs a 5br0....lol
Edit- talked to phil he said 68 front and 72 rears. So 64 lb more rotating vs the 5br0. That's alot of extra rotating to fight.
It's a really great car....just what it is.
Why would anyone listen to someone who can't orove they're not a ******. Atleast admit to man.
54lb is light when we're talking about a 5gen wheel of 70+lb. I wanna say phils 2012 5gen rears were like 76 lb. The fronts were a little lighter because they're smaller. So now were looking at 44lb of rotating on just the rear tires and 32 on the fronts give or take. 76lb or so more rotaing vs a 5br0....lol
Edit- talked to phil he said 68 front and 72 rears. So 64 lb more rotating vs the 5br0. That's alot of extra rotating to fight.
Why would anyone listen to someone who can't orove they're not a ******. Atleast admit to man.
Last edited by HioSSilver; 06-15-2016 at 08:58 PM.
06-15-2016, 09:10 PM
#458
06-15-2016, 09:48 PM
#459
^^^^^^lol
There isn't much of a comparison between the 1le and pp. The 1le walks all over it.
54lb is light when we're talking about a 5gen wheel of 70+lb. I wanna say phils 2012 5gen rears were like 76 lb. The fronts were a little lighter because they're smaller. So now were looking at 44lb of rotating on just the rear tires and 32 on the fronts give or take. 76lb or so more rotaing vs a 5br0....lol
Edit- talked to phil he said 68 front and 72 rears. So 64 lb more rotating vs the 5br0. That's alot of extra rotating to fight.
It's a really great car....just what it is.
Why would anyone listen to someone who can't orove they're not a ******. Atleast admit to man.
There isn't much of a comparison between the 1le and pp. The 1le walks all over it.
54lb is light when we're talking about a 5gen wheel of 70+lb. I wanna say phils 2012 5gen rears were like 76 lb. The fronts were a little lighter because they're smaller. So now were looking at 44lb of rotating on just the rear tires and 32 on the fronts give or take. 76lb or so more rotaing vs a 5br0....lol
Edit- talked to phil he said 68 front and 72 rears. So 64 lb more rotating vs the 5br0. That's alot of extra rotating to fight.
It's a really great car....just what it is.
Why would anyone listen to someone who can't orove they're not a ******. Atleast admit to man.
06-15-2016, 10:04 PM
#460
Base gt would need new rims and tires as well. Also alignment and some people need it installed.
1100 added to the price of the PP would bring the price to within 400 bucks of a base 6g SS not counting installation and alignment. And then it's still a half second slower in the 1/4.
The cars are pretty close in performance value any way you cut it. But the advantage to some for the SS is that all the performance comes oem and warrantied.
1100 added to the price of the PP would bring the price to within 400 bucks of a base 6g SS not counting installation and alignment. And then it's still a half second slower in the 1/4.
The cars are pretty close in performance value any way you cut it. But the advantage to some for the SS is that all the performance comes oem and warrantied.