Bone stock 2002 Z28 vs Bolt on 5.br0
07-20-2017, 10:04 PM
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The Mustang should have won. I've got a 2016 Mustang GT 5.0 with a manual transmission and I've had several fourth generation F-bodies. Stock, there is no way an LS1 could match an S550 Mustang 5.0L with bolt-ons or even a bone stock car. I can't think of any reason why those races would have been so close unless the Camaro isn't really stock or that kid had the car in the wrong gear the whole time. The cars aren't that far apart in weight and the Mustang has about 100HP on the Camaro stock.
07-20-2017, 10:33 PM
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07-20-2017, 11:02 PM
#47
The Mustang should have won. I've got a 2016 Mustang GT 5.0 with a manual transmission and I've had several fourth generation F-bodies. Stock, there is no way an LS1 could match an S550 Mustang 5.0L with bolt-ons or even a bone stock car. I can't think of any reason why those races would have been so close unless the Camaro isn't really stock or that kid had the car in the wrong gear the whole time. The cars aren't that far apart in weight and the Mustang has about 100HP on the Camaro stock.
07-20-2017, 11:14 PM
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In 2010, that's not entirely surprising. Though slightly lighter, the Mustang only had the 4.6 modular engine in it. They made around 300HP and some change at the crank but I think they put a little less to the wheels than the LS1's did. In 2011 they got the 5.0L Coyote engine which changed everything.
07-20-2017, 11:23 PM
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I no last fall my buddys and i saw a new 5.0 at the track and we asked him what all was done to the car well he wouldnt tell us he said it wasnt stock and it was manual well it barely broke 12s like 12.9 i wasnt impressed at all
07-20-2017, 11:23 PM
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100hp? Are you sure about that? Are we using the 305hp / 310hp factory ratings for the f-body? I made 324/341 on the dyno... 3440lbs. An LS1 car is the underdog for sure (I only ran 13.1 @ 108 bone stock) but I’ve seen plenty of poor drivers in 5.0 cars that I could likely have eeked out a win against.
Looking at quarter mile times, they aren't as far apart as I'd have imagined. 12.9-13.0 on the Mustang GT 5.0L. It looks like there are a few people that can crack the 12's on close to stock LS1's. The average is mid-13's though. So not as far apart as I'd imagine. I thought the 4th generation cars were heavier than they are. It looks like they are actually somewhat lighter than the S550 Mustangs. What's odd is the S197's were lighter than the S550's, but the S550 is much nicer to drive in the corners. I know that's due to the IRS etc.
My guess is that it's a driver issue. Launching with the IRS isn't as easy as it is with the live axle. That's been my experience as someone who's owned a 2002 Firehawk, 2001 / 2000 Camaro SS's, an S197 Mustang GT 5.0L and a 2016 Mustang GT 5.0L. The weight difference isn't vast between the two cars and the Mustang should have more than enough power to pull out a win against an LS1 F-body.
07-21-2017, 12:13 AM
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In 2010, that's not entirely surprising. Though slightly lighter, the Mustang only had the 4.6 modular engine in it. They made around 300HP and some change at the crank but I think they put a little less to the wheels than the LS1's did. In 2011 they got the 5.0L Coyote engine which changed everything.
Totally stock an s197 has actually been faster than the s550.
The 15 hp gain didn't make up for IRS and an extra ~100 lbs. they are very close but the 197 is faster
07-21-2017, 04:27 AM
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I beat 3 different A6 S197 Br0s in my lid/cat back a4 ls1. It was a stripper car with the only option being T-tops. Not even cruise control. It weighed under 3300 lbs. One of the 5.bros had a couple bolt ons too.
07-21-2017, 09:15 AM
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My 13 A6 Bro went 12.3@114 with a catless x pipe, intake and Bama tune.
I added a ported boss manifold and E85 (AED Tune) and it went 12.0@118.
I think stock/lightly bolted they (LS1 Fbomb and S197 GT) are a good race.
I added a ported boss manifold and E85 (AED Tune) and it went 12.0@118.
I think stock/lightly bolted they (LS1 Fbomb and S197 GT) are a good race.
07-21-2017, 10:04 AM
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Like I said that bro should have beat the fbomb. Bad.
Bros are overated thanks to internet. I seen them at Atco,OSR and Cecil run low 13s at about 106-110 depending on options. People claim low 12s which we know is insane with the stock tires. I still think a stripper auto early car can run a 12.9 stock. I have seen lots of bros claim stock and when you catch them being dishonest they said they meant the motor was stock. In my experience the newer ones are slower but that flips around with mods. They are outstanding cars to run boost with. You can have a 500-600HP car with stock driveline parts that is reliable and can be driven anywhere.
Bros are overated thanks to internet. I seen them at Atco,OSR and Cecil run low 13s at about 106-110 depending on options. People claim low 12s which we know is insane with the stock tires. I still think a stripper auto early car can run a 12.9 stock. I have seen lots of bros claim stock and when you catch them being dishonest they said they meant the motor was stock. In my experience the newer ones are slower but that flips around with mods. They are outstanding cars to run boost with. You can have a 500-600HP car with stock driveline parts that is reliable and can be driven anywhere.
07-21-2017, 10:28 AM
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Having had the 2014 and the 2016 cars, I can say that they are pretty close in a straight line, but the 2016 is much better in the corners. The transmission is the same piece of **** on both, but they've improved the shifter and clutch in the newer cars. Consequently, the 2016 GT is a much nicer car to drive.
07-21-2017, 11:27 AM
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