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Old 07-22-2017, 09:14 AM
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Sbc went 5's years ago
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Old tech GM is much moar highly regarded
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I don't really care cuz I like the 5.0s. first mustang I would like to own in a long time. But it seems at least at my track bolt on ls fbodys tend to be just a little quicker than stock/near stock 5.bros. maybe it's the drivers, but when I took my camaro out when it was still bolt ons I beat a 5.0 (barely) and all the other bolt on fbodys out there were bearing the 5.0s they raced. All us fbodys were running within tenths of each other too.
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One would hope a mid-high 12's stock car like an fbody with mods would beat a stock Br0.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Sbc went 5's years ago
NO YOUR LS CAN'T DO THAT!

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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
One would hope a mid-high 12's stock car like an fbody with mods would beat a stock Br0.

i mean if Bros make 100hp more, then an Fbody is going to be need H/C to even hang with a stock Bro
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Originally Posted by islander033
NO YOUR LS CAN'T DO THAT!

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LS izza SBC!
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
i mean if Bros make 100hp more, then an Fbody is going to be need H/C to even hang with a stock Bro
100 is beyond generous. Br0s also carry around more weight and a feminine powerband
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I would hope that a $40k car can somewhat keep up with a cheaply modded 4th gen......
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
100 is beyond generous. Br0s also carry around more weight and a feminine powerband
Limp wrist powerband, damn you’re brutal!

Speaking of brutal, I returned to the motherland last night. Forgot what real storms were like... they don’t have them down in Charlotte.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
100 is beyond generous. Br0s also carry around more weight and a feminine powerband
The 3rd and 4th generation F-bodies are lighter and more aerodynamic than the muscle cars of today. As a result, it doesn't take as much power in the older cars to make them competitive. The trade off is that we don't get the modern safety features and creature comforts with the older vehicles.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Ls have been 7's NA. Next.
With bolt on? Nope. We are talking bolt on still street cars with a.c. etc.

Fastest bolt on 5 0 is 9s.
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Originally Posted by islander033
My buddy ran 12.47 @ 114.11 with his email toon, CAI, mufflers, empty41, stock tire bro.

He has a ringer car I guess.
My 11 did 12.1@114 With tire only(Oct in texas)
11.8 with cold air, tune, tire(April in texas)
11.4@118 in July with bad 3rd and 5th
11.2@122 With bad 5th in aug still in tx.

Got tired of breaking trans and traded for auto.

First pass in auto was 10.8@129 , sc on 8lbs, tire, stock everything else.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
With bolt on? Nope. We are talking bolt on still street cars with a.c. etc.

Fastest bolt on 5 0 is 9s.
Do whatever you want to a coyote. It's impossible for them to run 7's NA. Even hondas have been faster than coyotes NA
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Originally Posted by Spamfritter
The 3rd and 4th generation F-bodies are lighter and more aerodynamic than the muscle cars of today. As a result, it doesn't take as much power in the older cars to make them competitive. The trade off is that we don't get the modern safety features and creature comforts with the older vehicles.
While true the Bro is only a couple of hundred pounds heavier. I feel like you think LS1s make like 330hp at best which is why you were surprised by the performance gap being so small.
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All LS1's were virtually the same. Early ls1's actually had a slightly larger cam than the same year vette. They were all roughly 350 hp
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
While true the Bro is only a couple of hundred pounds heavier. I feel like you think LS1s make like 330hp at best which is why you were surprised by the performance gap being so small.
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All LS1's were virtually the same. Early ls1's actually had a slightly larger cam than the same year vette. They were all roughly 350 hp
I had a 2002 Firehawk Trans Am with the 345HP package on it. Even if all the LS1's did or do make 350HP, the stock Coyote in 2016 makes 435HP. That's still a substantial difference. Yes, I'm surprised that a 200lbs. weight increase would be enough to offset the power gap. Aerodynamically, the Mustang is much worse off than the Camaro, but I didn't think this would be enough to close the gap either.
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Originally Posted by Spamfritter
The 3rd and 4th generation F-bodies are lighter and more aerodynamic than the muscle cars of today. As a result, it doesn't take as much power in the older cars to make them competitive. The trade off is that we don't get the modern safety features and creature comforts with the older vehicles.
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Originally Posted by Spamfritter
The 3rd and 4th generation F-bodies are lighter and more aerodynamic than the muscle cars of today. As a result, it doesn't take as much power in the older cars to make them competitive. The trade off is that we don't get the modern safety features and creature comforts with the older vehicles.
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I would hope that a $40k car can somewhat keep up with a cheaply modded 4th gen......
I would hope a 15 year old at newest car that is fully depreciated is cheaper than a brand new car... apples to oranges on the money argument

Nobody denies that LS fbombs are a great performance value.
Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Limp wrist powerband, damn you’re brutal!

Speaking of brutal, I returned to the motherland last night. Forgot what real storms were like... they don’t have them down in Charlotte.
Us Br0s do the best with the feminine powerband we have.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Us Br0s do the best with the feminine powerband we have.
What on Earth does that mean? The feminine power band thing gets mentioned a lot in these threads, but this is news to me.


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