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Old 07-27-2017, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by snake95
Nah, you got desperate because snake presses your buttons like nobody else can

It'll just be added to the list of **** you've done out of anger because of snakey.
Anger? I literally almost laugh myself into a seizure every time that you think you've "gotten under my skin". Do you know how long I've been having my way with morons like you, online? You can NEVER get to me, little spermy. Sorry, won't EVER happen. Just like your car will NEVER be faster than mine.
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Which is why you spend hours of your day trying to investigate me, posting pics of my house, my address, spamming my number on omegele, looking up people close to me

Yeah, you do all that because I "don't get under your skin"

Checkmate.
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The timing is impeccable......I just walked out to the mailbox and, lo and behold, there's the new issue of Car Craft. Guess what one of their new build series is going to be ? If you guessed 305 vs. 302, you are correct. Right there on the cover it says "'80's time warp. Ford 302 vs. Chevy 305 shootout. Are we wasting our time?"
Sorry, but I had to LOL after seeing it.
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Originally Posted by snake95
Which is why you spend hours of your day trying to investigate me, posting pics of my house, my address, spamming my number on omegele, looking up people close to me

Yeah, you do all that because I "don't get under your skin"

Checkmate.
You think any of that took me more than a couple minutes? I can tell how far under your skin I truly am.

I am the owner of you, fuckboy.
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Originally Posted by Gearhead1
The timing is impeccable......I just walked out to the mailbox and, lo and behold, there's the new issue of Car Craft. Guess what one of their new build series is going to be ? If you guessed 305 vs. 302, you are correct. Right there on the cover it says "'80's time warp. Ford 302 vs. Chevy 305 shootout. Are we wasting our time?"
Sorry, but I had to LOL after seeing it.
The 305 won
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In real life, nah breh
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Wow, Jake is getting desperate LMAO. I'd keep an eye on that snake. This lonely little ****** has been know to say some pretty vile/threatening things to the wives of dudes that expose how vulnerable and pathetic he really is.

That said, I zero ***** how this clown tries to paint this picture. You have got under his fragile skin so hard, he's now going after family. ******* pitiful LMAO.

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Originally Posted by Gearhead1
The timing is impeccable......I just walked out to the mailbox and, lo and behold, there's the new issue of Car Craft. Guess what one of their new build series is going to be ? If you guessed 305 vs. 302, you are correct. Right there on the cover it says "'80's time warp. Ford 302 vs. Chevy 305 shootout. Are we wasting our time?"
Sorry, but I had to LOL after seeing it.
Is that where they dyno'd a stock tpi 305 and 302?
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Is that where they dyno'd a stock tpi 305 and 302?
Going off 1985, the 305C.I. TPI (LB9) engine produced a mere 215HP. A cam change in 1986 caused a drop in rated HP numbers and an increase in torque. The post-1985 cams became known as "peanut" cams in the LB9 cars. Only LB9/T5 cars with the dual exhaust option didn't get the peanut cam and made 230HP compared to the L98's 245HP. Some people on thirdgen.org reported bone stock dyno runs back in the day of around 185-189HP or so to the rear wheels.

For the Mustang, in 1985 the 302C.I. 4.999L engine cranked out a whopping 210HP at the same RPM range as the sad *** 305. By the end of the operational lifetime of the Foxbody, before the inbound SN95 cars came out the Mustang's 5.0L was pumping out only 225HP. Essentially, both engines had similar displacement and similar power numbers year by year.

I've owned a lot of these cars, and while the Mustang is lighter, there is something about the TPI cars of the 1985-1992 years. They make their torque in a very low RPM range (3200RPM according to the specs) and often feel faster than they really are. The LT1 even traded some of the L98's low end torque for better power in higher RPM ranges. LS1's by extension do the same thing. The Mustang supposedly ran around a 14.8 in the 1/4 mile. The Trans Am on the other hand was around 15.2@91MPH or thereabout according to the car magazines at the time. The Mustang is no doubt a lighter car which is the reason for this.

Despite the performance difference, I always preferred the F-bodies of the day over the Mustangs of the same time period.
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....aaaaaaaaaaand then you compare 302 aftermarket to 305 (which essentially means you gotta swap engines for performance) and it becomes a no brainer, because who the **** keeps stock 15 second 210hp cars, stock, anyway? The 305 boreXstroke situation was a clusterfuck.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Is that where they dyno'd a stock tpi 305 and 302?
Yep, and apparently they're going to build up each one for more performance over the next several issues. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Chevy guy 100%, but I'm going to have to place my bets on the 302.
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Step 1 for the 305: Go to your local junkyard and source a 350 engine!

They'll pull some hammer **** and destroke a 350 to be 305 inches
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Originally Posted by snake95
....aaaaaaaaaaand then you compare 302 aftermarket to 305 (which essentially means you gotta swap engines for performance) and it becomes a no brainer, because who the **** keeps stock 15 second 210hp cars, stock, anyway? The 305 boreXstroke situation was a clusterfuck.
Once you get into the aftermarket there is no comparison. The 305's got jack **** for support.

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Yep, and apparently they're going to build up each one for more performance over the next several issues. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Chevy guy 100%, but I'm going to have to place my bets on the 302.
Yep. The 305 is a dog. There is no getting around it. I'm a die hard F-body fan and I've got to hand it to the 302. (Though I've actually owned both Fox body and F-bodies before.)

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Step 1 for the 305: Go to your local junkyard and source a 350 engine!
That's what we always told anyone who had dreams of improving the 305 on Thirdgen.org.
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Originally Posted by Spamfritter
Going off 1985, the 305C.I. TPI (LB9) engine produced a mere 215HP. A cam change in 1986 caused a drop in rated HP numbers and an increase in torque. The post-1985 cams became known as "peanut" cams in the LB9 cars. Only LB9/T5 cars with the dual exhaust option didn't get the peanut cam and made 230HP compared to the L98's 245HP. Some people on thirdgen.org reported bone stock dyno runs back in the day of around 185-189HP or so to the rear wheels.

For the Mustang, in 1985 the 302C.I. 4.999L engine cranked out a whopping 210HP at the same RPM range as the sad *** 305. By the end of the operational lifetime of the Foxbody, before the inbound SN95 cars came out the Mustang's 5.0L was pumping out only 225HP. Essentially, both engines had similar displacement and similar power numbers year by year.

I've owned a lot of these cars, and while the Mustang is lighter, there is something about the TPI cars of the 1985-1992 years. They make their torque in a very low RPM range (3200RPM according to the specs) and often feel faster than they really are. The LT1 even traded some of the L98's low end torque for better power in higher RPM ranges. LS1's by extension do the same thing. The Mustang supposedly ran around a 14.8 in the 1/4 mile. The Trans Am on the other hand was around 15.2@91MPH or thereabout according to the car magazines at the time. The Mustang is no doubt a lighter car which is the reason for this.

Despite the performance difference, I always preferred the F-bodies of the day over the Mustangs of the same time period.

I had a 350 Formula and a 92 LX5.0 at around same time. Fbomb out handled it and stopped better. Mustang way easier to make fast and better built. Heck there were tons of magazine devoted to the car. I did get a thrill blasting with the Formula though
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Jake be out creeping again?

Not surprised, he does that every time he's been made a fool of. (which is daily)

Where's Hio to suck Jake off over this?

#teamhakejioFTL
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I had a 350 Formula and a 92 LX5.0 at around same time. Fbomb out handled it and stopped better. Mustang way easier to make fast and better built. Heck there were tons of magazine devoted to the car. I did get a thrill blasting with the Formula though
Agreed. I do think the F-body cars handled better than the Mustangs of the day. As for brakes, I don't know if I can agree with that. I haven't driven a fox body in a long time but the brakes on the F-body sucked ***.
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Originally Posted by Spamfritter
Going off 1985, the 305C.I. TPI (LB9) engine produced a mere 215HP. A cam change in 1986 caused a drop in rated HP numbers and an increase in torque. The post-1985 cams became known as "peanut" cams in the LB9 cars. Only LB9/T5 cars with the dual exhaust option didn't get the peanut cam and made 230HP compared to the L98's 245HP. Some people on thirdgen.org reported bone stock dyno runs back in the day of around 185-189HP or so to the rear wheels.

For the Mustang, in 1985 the 302C.I. 4.999L engine cranked out a whopping 210HP at the same RPM range as the sad *** 305. By the end of the operational lifetime of the Foxbody, before the inbound SN95 cars came out the Mustang's 5.0L was pumping out only 225HP. Essentially, both engines had similar displacement and similar power numbers year by year.

I've owned a lot of these cars, and while the Mustang is lighter, there is something about the TPI cars of the 1985-1992 years. They make their torque in a very low RPM range (3200RPM according to the specs) and often feel faster than they really are. The LT1 even traded some of the L98's low end torque for better power in higher RPM ranges. LS1's by extension do the same thing. The Mustang supposedly ran around a 14.8 in the 1/4 mile. The Trans Am on the other hand was around 15.2@91MPH or thereabout according to the car magazines at the time. The Mustang is no doubt a lighter car which is the reason for this.

Despite the performance difference, I always preferred the F-bodies of the day over the Mustangs of the same time period.
I think on an engine dyno too the 305 made more power
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No matter. No one back then cared for the 305. The Ford 5.0 responded so well. Only the 350 Chev, Buick intercooled stuff, or cyclone trucks were used for street racing.

If you had a 305 you were a loser or a cruiser
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No matter. No one back then cared for the 305. The Ford 5.0 responded so well. Only the 350 Chev, Buick intercooled stuff, or cyclone trucks were used for street racing.

If you had a 305 you were a loser or a cruiser
Let's not forget how many versions of that **** pile there were. You had the LU5, LG4, L03, L69, and the LB9. LB9's came with one of I think three cams depending on the year and other options. You had the earlier 1985 version with different valve covers, 1 piece vs. 2 piece rear main seal, peanut cam and non-peanut cam. On the high end of the spectrum you had the 305 TPI with the better cam producing as much as 230HP compared to the 245HP of the L98 (350C.I.) engine. On the low side of the spectrum you had the god awful LG4 producing an anemic 140HP. Hell the LU5 Crossfire engine from the Corvette only produced 165HP in the 1982 and 1983 Trans Am.

The 305 and all versions of it were terrible.
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The non peanut can lb9 made more power than the 302 ho


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