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Old 08-28-2004, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
And weren't 2 out of the three first gens American Companies (Eagle and Plymouth?)

-Todd
Yep. And, the DSM factory also produced the 3000GT/Stealth cars, so you could consider those two cars DSM's. But as for the "to this day" comment, their hasn't been a "DSM" car for quite a few years now.
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Thinking about this, I think your friend should look into LT1's, too. You can get 93's dirt cheap. They respond a little worse to mods then the DSM's, but you start off MUCH better than the 5.0 and still has the same potential.

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There is no question here. The 5.0 wins hands down. Cold air kit, TB, pulley's, exhaust, short shifter, 4.10's and slicks, and you have a 12 second car.

I have been contemplating another 5.0 myself, it would be my 3rd one in 4 years.
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Originally Posted by BlueSix
There is no question here. The 5.0 wins hands down. Cold air kit, TB, pulley's, exhaust, short shifter, 4.10's and slicks, and you have a 12 second car.

I have been contemplating another 5.0 myself, it would be my 3rd one in 4 years.
The DSM would do that for cheaper, and the LT1 would also do that for, too.

But still, 5.0 over DSM!

-Todd
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Originally Posted by BlueSix
There is no question here. The 5.0 wins hands down. Cold air kit, TB, pulley's, exhaust, short shifter, 4.10's and slicks, and you have a 12 second car.

I have been contemplating another 5.0 myself, it would be my 3rd one in 4 years.
12's with a bolt on stang? maybe with weight reduction, because a full bolt on 5.0 around here with slicks runs around 8.70 (1/8) and that wont get you in the 12's. maybe its just the difference between where we live, hell i saw a Saleen (sp?) last night with a vortech run at the track and it ran an 8.64. thats what i was thinking. i say look for an lt1. but thats just my .02
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Sure that 300RWHP for cheap sounds great with a DSM, but then your clutch is gone. You better keep a spare tranny or two in the hatch because you'll need them. Hope that timing belt (yes belt) doesn't go or your whole engine will destroy itself. You'll need every bit of that $2000 just to keep your car running. Those things are a mechanic's nightmare.

And which is faster in the long run? We all know the answer to that

Also, compare prices for a forged bottom end on a 5.0 and a DSM.

gg jap crap

Case closed.
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Originally Posted by silverbeast
12's with a bolt on stang? maybe with weight reduction, because a full bolt on 5.0 around here with slicks runs around 8.70 (1/8) and that wont get you in the 12's. maybe its just the difference between where we live, hell i saw a Saleen (sp?) last night with a vortech run at the track and it ran an 8.64. thats what i was thinking. i say look for an lt1. but thats just my .02

I could see the car running high 12's, but only because of the 4.10's and the slicks. Its trap speed wouldn't be so steller.

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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
The DSM would do that for cheaper, and the LT1 would also do that for, too.

But still, 5.0 over DSM!

-Todd
i have a question what's the fastest awd dsm run? just asking
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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
The DSM would do that for cheaper, and the LT1 would also do that for, too.

But still, 5.0 over DSM!

-Todd
and i have to call on that comment on mods being cheaper on the dsm. if you want i could try and get a hold of the guy with the awd and get him on this forum and tell you all the problem's he has with that dsm out of his own mouth. like i said before im not nocking dsm's but even he'll tell you he keep's on braken stuff the last time i passed his house his talon was sitting in his driveway and that was 4 month's ago. and on top of that he's trying to sell it and nobody want's to buy it. i no nothing about awd dsm's but every time i see the guy i ask about his car and he alway's start's off by saying o'h that peice of ****.
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Originally Posted by silverbeast
12's with a bolt on stang? maybe with weight reduction, because a full bolt on 5.0 around here with slicks runs around 8.70 (1/8) and that wont get you in the 12's. maybe its just the difference between where we live, hell i saw a Saleen (sp?) last night with a vortech run at the track and it ran an 8.64. thats what i was thinking. i say look for an lt1. but thats just my .02
A Notch will easily weigh less than 3000 w/driver. Pull the spare and jack, and front sway bar (in addition to the mods i already listed) and you have an easy high 12 second car. The trap would only be around 104, but a 12 is a 12, right? A lot of it is on the driver as well

If you still don't believe a bolt on stang (notch) can run 12's, search for Visceral on this site, he's got one.
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Originally Posted by 02ls1ss
and i have to call on that comment on mods being cheaper on the dsm. if you want i could try and get a hold of the guy with the awd and get him on this forum and tell you all the problem's he has with that dsm out of his own mouth. like i said before im not nocking dsm's but even he'll tell you he keep's on braken stuff the last time i passed his house his talon was sitting in his driveway and that was 4 month's ago. and on top of that he's trying to sell it and nobody want's to buy it. i no nothing about awd dsm's but every time i see the guy i ask about his car and he alway's start's off by saying o'h that peice of ****.

Well when you take into repairs, of course you are right. Those things make fords look like toyotos in terms of reliability.

-Todd
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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
Well when you take into repairs, of course you are right. Those things make fords look like toyotos in terms of reliability.

-Todd
True. A coworker of mine owns one, and has replaced his CV joints three times in the last year.
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Well we went to a auto auction yesterday and he found a Fully loaded with black leather interior 2000 LS1 A4 Z28 that he liked, so he had me check it out before he bid the final of $6700. the car only has 40,000miles and bald rear tires, lol. Well to say the least I am so glad he got him a fbody, he wont regret it.
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Hell yeah, score! Tell 'em to register @ LS1tech!
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Ill make sure he registers. The only thing we didnt like about the car was a screw on xenon body kit which we took off emediatly. Im glad i took the time and drove up to euless to help him out, or he might of gotten a 99 cobra that was out their.
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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
Well when you take into repairs, of course you are right. Those things make fords look like toyotos in terms of reliability.

-Todd
Also when you take into account mod prices a new vortech supercharger for a 5.0 can be had for about 1800. I've also heard rumors of a head and cam combo someone was using in a 5.0 that got them 11s for about 2k.
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Tell him congratulations on the ls1.
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Originally Posted by King02SS
Tell him congratulations on the ls1.

Holy ****! That is 10x better than the DSM!!!

Tell him congrats!!!

-Todd
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WOW thats one hell of an upgrade. After reading about the other cars I'm guessing he's going to be really happy with his choice. $6700 is a damn good price too. Tell him welcome to the the club.
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$6700 is a phenominal price for a 2000 LS1 with only 40k on it.

I paid $12,600 a year ago for my '98 TA, and that wasn't a bad price at all for it at the time.



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