$8k? I wouldnt say that. For $8k including cost of car, I could have a mustang in the 10's without an issue, probably even the 9's. What are you going to to with $8k including cost of vehicle on an LS1? Put a lid on it?

 

Ok. My perspective as a Mustang Owner (Not that it really matters). I was looking for a good entry level car that I could drive daily, be reliable, and be somewhat powerful. I found a SN95 5.0. The only reason I didn't get the WS6 that I wanted was because of the price at the time. If I could do it again, I would have definitely bought the WS6. That is the reason why alot of the stangs are popular is because they are cheap to purchase and cheap to mod.

 

soooo, what are yall arguing about?

 

How some dude is so arguing about how getting a Stang and modding it is better than ANY other car because it is cheaper than most of the members cars here. He probably got waxed by some WS6's and is trying to put down the owners and their cars.

I drive a Neon(srt). I have lost a lot. Not once have I said..."Hey nice race...too bad I only paid 20k for it brand new and HUNG with you!"

 

I don't know.....I always liked the $4performance arguments. Almost as fun as the cubic inch debates.

 

i would love to see you get an engine that will put anything into the 9's for $8k...let alone the car, suspension, transmission, wheels/tires...that's just and blacksrt said everything that i was going to say...he is one smart dude...not to mention a normal person instead of being like most all of the other srt owners...

 

please challenge the fact that I couldnt get a mustang into the 9's with an $8k budget. Here, ill even lay part of it out for you.

Rolling coupe chasis: $1000
Stock 351W motor: $500
Sell the intake and FI stuff to the Bronco guys (they love it): +$250
Buy a carb and intake: $200
Bigger fuel pump: $75
Drag launch kit: $140
torque arm, control arms: $400
2 stock 15'' wheels: $40
ET Streets: $200
Nitrous plate kit (custom): $450
Built C4: $1200
Lightweight mods: Free
Manual rack: Free (cap off stock rack)
Heads: $1200
Custom Cam: $250
33 spline axles: $120
Differential: $300
Gears: $120


Thats mid/low 10's and im still right around $6000. Still wanna argue that it cant be done?

 

Carb and intake for $200? How bad a shape? You will have to add jet extensions and a rebuild, and still have a used up carb.
33 spline axles $120? They are more than that each.
Differential 33 spline is more than $300
ET streets $200 If they are used.
Plus, your stock low compression 351 without a rebuild?

Anybody can run a time on a budget, but your stock bottom end isnt going to get you there reliably. Stock rods and crank with added power plus spray! No SFC's? That is just the begining. How are you going to find out it runs 9's without the safety equipment?

Im not saying it cant be done, but it wouldnt be much of a street car or very reliable. No power steering, no upgraded brakes(stock rear drums, small disc's), no safety equipment. I could buy an older 350 Gen2 Camaro and throw a 2 stage 500 shot on it, but it wouldnt last. Not trying to start a fight here, but this is just a lame, go nowhere argument.

Some people run fast cheap, some do it right for more money. In the end the fastest car wins no matter how much it cost. I raced a C5 in my small block S10 over the summer, and I didnt ask for 4 or more cars on the start to make up for the price difference. I still won, but in the end he still had a nicer car.

 

please challenge the fact that I couldnt get a mustang into the 9's with an $8k budget. Here, ill even lay part of it out for you.

Rolling coupe chasis: $1000
Stock 351W motor: $500
Sell the intake and FI stuff to the Bronco guys (they love it): +$250
Buy a carb and intake: $200
Bigger fuel pump: $75
Drag launch kit: $140
torque arm, control arms: $400
2 stock 15'' wheels: $40
ET Streets: $200
Nitrous plate kit (custom): $450
Built C4: $1200
Lightweight mods: Free
Manual rack: Free (cap off stock rack)
Heads: $1200
Custom Cam: $250
33 spline axles: $120
Differential: $300
Gears: $120


Thats mid/low 10's and im still right around $6000. Still wanna argue that it cant be done?


If its that easy, then why haven't you done it? lol.

Peace,
Josh

 

I have never been beat by a WS6, nor have i raced one. I DID race a lightly modded LS1 TA in my 95TA and was unimpressed with it, it was an A4, so i cant blame the driver. He beat me by 1.5 cars 0-60 and i had him till 2nd gear and he started walking...keep in mind, i has 2.73 gears and stock LT1 (save for a morose CAI). Granded, the LS1 TA's and Z28's look good and i would have bought one rather than my Fox, BUT, it would have cost me too much to make it as fast as I wanted it to be to notice an improvement on my LT1 that was worth the trouble.

I also wanted a car that would last through 4 years of college and most LS1's that are in the 8K price range are 100K plus on mileage. My Fox has a brand new drivetrain. I used to work for a dealership, we took in a LS1 z28 on trade. It has 113K on it and is being sold WHOLESALE for no less than 9K. So yeah, it looks good, but it would cost me 15K to get it where my fox is for marginally better looks (personal taste). For that matter, lets make a case for the Vette owners why do some buy F-bodies when there are Vettes out there? Because the performance is the same...

Like i said when i began this post, im not hating on LS1's, but i see a lot of hating on the mustang crowd. All the mustang clubs i have ever been associated with in the past respected my TA. The F-body crowd seems a tad closed minded IN SOME CASES (not everyone).

 

because i enjoy having a nice daily drivable car that has decent hp, double OD, full interior, A/C, etc.

its called priorities

 

A stock Ls1 6M will run 13.2-13.6[/QUOTE]
I have a stock 2000 ss put $90 total on exhaust and ran a 12.32 everyone that knows anything about ls1 knows that the factory specs is pretty well a average if you will. The factory does not dyno everyone. We have a dyno in our shop and i have seen them from 285 to 351 thats stock there was only one so far that has had higher horsepower than mine and that was a 02 with the slp performance on it so it just depends some are weeklings and some are strong ones But as far as that statement goes it is false as with any car you cant put them in a range cause theres always the stronger and weeker ones out there

 

Maybe not.

 

This whole post is crazy. I'm just going to call on the whole thing and be done with it instead of addressing each individual "fact".

 

 

If you actually had A RACE, I think you would have been a little impressed. 60-100ish and maybe, just maybe he would of kept walking...

 

"because i enjoy having a nice daily drivable car that has decent hp, double OD, full interior, A/C, etc.

its called priorities"


I see.. I don't see it happening.. you act like $200 intake/carb setups that are capable of 10 second passes are sold on a street corner. You could very well spend $500-$1000 on a decent carb capable of a 9 second pass.. depending upon features Not only that, how many 351's do you find for $500 that can handle much spray at all, much less last very long in a 9 or 10 second drag car.. If you wanted to be technical.. you also need to add in head gaskets, head bolts, intake manifold gasket, torque convertor (which could cost anywhere from $500-$1000 if you get one thats a good one), trans cooler, any associated bearings/seals for rearend, **** to rebuild the carb that is probably trashed for $100-$150 (assuming you can find a decent intake for $50-$100).. even used. There is so much more to this than I can even think of..

Speaking of which.. do mustangs even have torque arms? I was under the impression they had upper and lower control arms.. which still costs $400 for a decent street set..

My guess is.. to run 10's, you'd need every bit of that 8k budget.. 9's would be several g's more away.. you might run 9's for one pass on that $500 longblock.. lol.

Lets get realistic here. We both know you probably aren't going to have a car that is capable of running more than 1 or 2 passes at 9 seconds for 8k total. With as many hidden costs that are incurred.. I wouldn't even be surprised if you couldn't do 10's. There are ALWAYS hidden costs. Anybody who had built a car would know this.

Peace,
Josh

 

I would drag your $8000 Z28 down the street with my 3600+lbs foxbody vert that i built for $3500 all day long. 12.50's for $8000......

Come to GA and find out if you doubt me