</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LS1 CRAZY:
<strong>Mustangs, no matter if called a GT, Bullit or Cobra are toys and toys are for little kids. Hence all the ones you see driving them. The Cobra take a ZO6?? I'd pay to see that. I've raced a couple Cobra's and I was extremely disappointed. Far from fast.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just don't think I'll ever understand posts like this. There you sit, smugly making sure everyone knows how slow you think the 03 Cobra is, all the while knowing, it's 100% capable of laying waste to anything EXCEPT the vaunted ZO6 (including the ZR1) that GM has made as a production car, in the last 30 years. Congratulations on being "one of the boys"... Then again, you probably had no idea there were CARS 30 years ago. Yeah, you drive a "grown ups car".... PUH LEEEEZE! I'd bet you don't know anyone under 25 who's actually paying for their own 03 Cobra and it's insurance along with all their other bills... Kids, eh??

Why is it, 75% of the people on this board can, will and have accepted the new Cobra for what it is, and the other 25% can't? Be satisfied with what you have and stop trying to "keep up with the Joneses." Stock for stock, the new Cobra kicks F-body ***. That's life. Move along and stop all the whiny "IF" comments, along with the "Yeah well" ones too. If you can outrun a Cobra in a drag race, great... SO? Some of us have been able to do such a thing for years and years... Does that matter too? NO! Geeeez, kids bug me sometimes.

And BTW, I have a 21" ChrisCraft open fisher (that's a boat, so you'll know)... I call it a "toy." What would YOU call it? For starters, toys are hardly for kids (little or not) when they cost more than $10,000.... Get a clue.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LS1 CRAZY:
<strong>Mustangs, no matter if called a GT, Bullit or Cobra are toys and toys are for little kids. Hence all the ones you see driving them. The Cobra take a ZO6?? I'd pay to see that. I've raced a couple Cobra's and I was extremely disappointed. Far from fast.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you know i hate this b/c i feel like im raggin on my Camaro buddies.... for FORD <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

But cmon guys. Ford got their **** together when they made the 03'.
Please stop comparing the Z06 to the Cobra. They are two completely different cars.
..the zo6 is a 2 seater sportscar..the cobra is a full size coupe.
I love the z06 and i think its the best car chevy ever produced.

im just saying that if you think lik that **** above, one day ur gonna shoot ur mouth off to a stang, and when an 03 roasts your ***, your gonna look stupid

 

<img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> sorry, I just wanted to that for no reason at all. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Both cars RAWK in their own way, just let it go and talk about something else.......like who has the biggest d..................sorry again, thought this was the "vaginarium". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSpeeed:
<strong>mmmmmm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
i hope you realize there is a BIG difference in a S/C and a bottle. im sure you could spray a cobra and it would be fast as hell too.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ya and u could also put a s/c and spray on a z06 too, and it would be "fast as hell" also. do u see where this is going? a z06 is all motor! an 03 cobra is not. the 03 cobra comes stock with a power adder(the s/c). if the z06 did also, the comparison between the two would be over, and u know it

<small>[ December 12, 2002, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: Thunder 2k1 ]</small>

 

All i have to Say is your looking at $59k dollar car (Z06) vs a $35k dollar car (03Cobra) DAMN!! The performance to Dollar Ratio has changed in favor of Ford. Don't get me wrong LS1 Are a perfect Design, Ford Outdone Themselves this time around. I mean a STOCK Z06 runs a 12.5 stock and a 03 cobra runs 12.7 stock that's pretty close <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

GREAT KILL REGARDLESS!!! <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Thunder 2k1:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSpeeed:
<strong>mmmmmm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
i hope you realize there is a BIG difference in a S/C and a bottle. im sure you could spray a cobra and it would be fast as hell too.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ya and u could also put a s/c and spray on a z06 too, and it would be "fast as hell" also. do u see where this is going? a z06 is all motor! an 03 cobra is not. the 03 cobra comes stock with a power adder(the s/c). if the z06 did also, the comparison between the two would be over, and u know it</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">once again i dont know why we are comparing a Z06 to a 03' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> .

No. I dont see where your point is going.

Put 1500 in a Cobra and 1500 in a z06. With no bottles, the cobra would eat the zo6 alive. 1500 in a cobra your running mid 11's. You can barely buy and exhaust system for the z06 with 1500 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

I guess the fact that the 03 is 15k cheaper doesnt make a difference either.

"the 03' comes STOCK with a poweradder...if the z06 did also"
....ya but guess what.. it doesn't <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

whats your point?
Do you have any idea what that "STOCK" blower can take?
obviously you dont

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Thunder 2k1:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSpeeed:
<strong>mmmmmm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
i hope you realize there is a BIG difference in a S/C and a bottle. im sure you could spray a cobra and it would be fast as hell too.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ya and u could also put a s/c and spray on a z06 too, and it would be "fast as hell" also. do u see where this is going? a z06 is all motor! an 03 cobra is not. the 03 cobra comes stock with a power adder(the s/c). if the z06 did also, the comparison between the two would be over, and u know it</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Add a blower and nitrous to a ZO6 and it probably won't beat anything down the track. In all likelihood, it would blow up 1st.
And while you're WHINING that the Cobra has to have a s/c to run with a ZO6, keep in mind, the two cars ARE of completely different designs AND driving ideas, as well as the fact that the NON s/c'd car has has nearly 11:1 compression. The c.i. advantage means nothing in this regard because what I'm getting at is, NO, you cannot simply add a supercharger AND nitrous to a ZO6 and make it faster because ONE of the two power adders would HAVE to be sacrificed in order to maximize the other or the engine (with it's non forged parts) would break almost immediately. that means, any power adder used would have to be watched (I'd choose nitrous for obvious reasons) closely or you'd have serious engine problems. LOW boost and a SMALL shot might work, you'll never see 12psi and a 150 shot though, promise.

PLEASE step off the bandwagon... you're weighing it down. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Or were you about to REFILL your big 'ole head? <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

 

I have read through this entire post as well as countless others on LS1Tech, and SSSpeed and It'llRun know what they are talking about and always state facts (regardless of their preferences). I would suggest that you "newbie's" who like to shoot off and post bullshit follow suit and listen to these guys because you might actually learn a thing or two. And then maybe you might be able to know what you are talking about, and earn some respect for your posts. Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions, but you will never get respect if you continually post unbelieveable stories. Just throwing in my observation.

 

Here's an observation- you guys (SSPEEED and ITLLRUN) sound like you know (for the most part) what you are talking about, so I'll keep this short and sweet. It is possible to impart your knowledge on others and not post in a condescending, arrogant manner. Now I don't know you guys personally, and I'm sure we'd probably get along fine face to face, but it just seems like you could both get your point across to others on the forum AND be cool about it at the same time. Some people might read your posts and think both you guys are dicks. Feel free to yell and scream at me and bash me for a little bit in this thread, I'm kinda expecting it from you guys. Just a little piece of friendly advice.

 

I just read this whole thread again, and it seems that ITLLRUN is the (much) more condescending of the two of you, sorry SSPEEED. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

I have raced a few moded mustanges with my car and I think it is a wast of money. when you buy a car that has a supercharger on the is a air flow limit on the charger b/c is is made for a factory engine. And it is not as easy as a pulley, chip,exhaust, and tune. The lighting pulley will make the mustange blow up have seen it. So now you are takin all the part off this wonder car to make more power. It is a nice car but when it comes to bang for the buck it sucks. If you like stock cars with a little go power then that is your car.

 

2FAST4U....thats actually not true at all.these cars love mods.there is a guy around here with one with the upgraded pulley,exhaust tune and couple other little things and it put down 507rwhp.and still easily drivable and reliable.

 

I have 3 friends that have done this and some friends at dealers that work on the cars. As well as so people that work at Ford and know so of the internal problem. But that I am saying is A camaro is 22-27k and the mustange is 35K so will the money I can spank a stock stange! There are some fast mustanges but they are not stock superchargers, so why wast the money for the car if you know that you are looking for more power! And I am one of those kids(20) with there toys I pay for all of my own and if you want to see toys I show you toys that make your car look like a hot wheels toy. Not all kid use daddy's money! Some kids pay for there parents!!

 

Word to that!!! (19 y): 00 Z/28 M6
CBR 600
69 Honda Super Hawk 305
01 Race Honda CR125R
KX 125
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ December 13, 2002, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: baddogz28 ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSpeeed:
<strong>once again i dont know why we are comparing a Z06 to a 03' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> .

No. I dont see where your point is going.

Put 1500 in a Cobra and 1500 in a z06. With no bottles, the cobra would eat the zo6 alive. 1500 in a cobra your running mid 11's. You can barely buy and exhaust system for the z06 with 1500 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

I guess the fact that the 03 is 15k cheaper doesnt make a difference either.

"the 03' comes STOCK with a poweradder...if the z06 did also"
....ya but guess what.. it doesn't <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

whats your point?
Do you have any idea what that "STOCK" blower can take?
obviously you dont</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok, we are not talking about money, dont change the subject.
if both cars had say 15psi, z06 would win. plain and simple.

 

Hey "itllrun" the only "kid" here I think is you sticking up for your mustang. Just for your info I'm well into my 30's so ya I know a bit about cars and remember what was running in the past. Nothing over 10 grand is a toy?? beg to differ on that?? Gotta lotta toys over 10 bills. Like a wave runner for instance or how bout my crotch rocket?? Nothing but toys. And I don't know what kinda crappy little town you live in but here in the big city there's TONS of kids running around with some very expensive toys. **** half of them probably have more cash stuck into their honda's than I do in all of my cars put together. Like ya say easy for you to sit at your desk and critisize !!! Besides, last time I checked everyone was entitled to their opinion including myself. I never said the stang was the worst car ever made or they absolutely suck **** I said I was disappointed etc. So take your frickin attitude somewhere else. And to those that want to compare the stang and vette $ to $. You're right it is a good deal for the buck but hey itll...I don't personally think it's worth it. Is that ok for me to say?? Yer right the vette is way more but it's also way more car as far as everything is concerned, performance, ride, interior, options etc. Gee maybe that's why it's een around for 50 yrs??? Maybe that's why it's considered "America's true sports car" and also a "World Class sports car" But hey, for the sake of making someone cry.....this is only my opinion !!!

 

Look guys, I'm not here to argue with anyone. If you get yer panties in a wad over the way I word things, grow up a little, and lighten up too. I'm not the least bit angry about any of these posts. I think some are strictly spoken from bungled attempts to make people look better or worse off.

Bad, you have your opinion and I have mine. I go out of my way, even when I don't like the facts, to speak the truth. It's as simple as that. I see what you claim to have and what you've paid for etc. and frankly, it's nothing to brag about. You're opinion is fine though. The fact that you misspoke about the new Mach 1 was my issue, and then the fact that you lied about it, another issue. As for you getting upset about my talking about your probable lack of driving skills, I promise you this... In 10 years, you'll KNOW that I was correct in what I said. By then, you'll know you didn't drive very well at age 19. Ask around. If anybody here is over 29 and says they haven't learned how to drive better in that 10 year span, they'll be telling a story.

LS1, your post led me (and others) to believe you're not in your 30's. If you are, you might want to reconsider how you approach your responses. I care that facts are what we read here and not just your ideas on things. I think that we'd get along fine if we met, even if we disagreed about things. The facts matter, not our persona.

I apologize if you two were/are offended by my realistic responses. I have what is oten called "rough edges," thanks in part to having to learn things as I go. Evidently, you two aren't faced with this aspect of life. Oh well.

Oh, and LS1, I might've written it wrong about the "toys"... I thought it was clear that I meant, "toys" that cost more than $10,000 aren't toys that KIDS are paying for. Those who do are the offspring of very wealthy parents who have absolutely no parenting skills, in my opinion. I hope it's OK for me to invoke my points/ideas too!

I made a comment that went unanswered though, and I'd like one. Does anyone here, under 25 have an 03 Cobra or an 03 ZO6 that they alone are paying for as well as any other bills they may encounter? I believe the answer to be "nope" and until I can note that as false, I'm stickin' with it. That's why these cars AREN'T for kids. Got it? Good.

2FAST, I haven't heard of anyone doing those mods and having troubles with their 03 Cobras yet. I've seen one run mid 10's too, with no issues as of yet. The internals of the 03 are all but indestructable, even at 15psi. There's already one company that got 22psi and 617rwhp with their modified replacment s/c kit. Stock internals.

Thunder, an otherwise stock ZO6 would very probably grenade with a 15psi blower. In fact, I'd bet $100 that's the case in 100 of 100 attempts. The engine is not made for boost. It would/has done wonderfully with no less than a 150 shot for several people and that's expected (well almost), but not 15psi with a blower.

It's not about opinions, when we're claiming to be telling it "like it is"...

 

All I did was tell you what I thought of the Mach 1. If down the thread I got a little out of line, I apologize. I think that the way you word things is very confrontational, and I approached my responses with that in mind. On another note, I NEVER intentionally lied in any post I made in that thread, nor have I ever. I made a mistake in saying that the engines were cycled for 10000 miles, and I acknowledge that they are cycled in hour not miles. As far as my age is concerned, age has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on maturity, intelligence, or driving skill. If drivers got better with age as a rule, my grandmother who is almost 90 would have a license. I don't know what a typical 19 year old's driving credentials are, but I can say that I have five years of solid driving experience. I learned to drive stick on a Porsche 911 when I was 14 and have personally owned a built 4-spd 80 Z/28, a 89 RS 5spd, a built 5-spd 92 RS, and my 00 Z/28. While having driven all of these doesn't automatically mean I am a qualified driver, it does mean that for my age I've been around the block a few times and I've raced people more than a few times. And dont get me wrong, none of the cars that I've owned were all that fast or all that nice, but do make for a little experience behind the wheel. And although I do agree that I will be a better driver in ten years, I am confident with myself and my skill as a driver, and I am done butting heads with you on these issues.

PS: I wasn't bragging about my stuff, I was supporting the notion that a young person can amass some decent toys with hard work and without parents' help. Another thing: why do you judge me and what I have? If my toys make me happy, that's all that matters. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by It'llrun:
<strong>Look guys, I'm not here to argue with anyone. If you get yer panties in a wad over the way I word things, grow up a little, and lighten up too. I'm not the least bit angry about any of these posts. I think some are strictly spoken from bungled attempts to make people look better or worse off.

Bad, you have your opinion and I have mine. I go out of my way, even when I don't like the facts, to speak the truth. It's as simple as that. I see what you claim to have and what you've paid for etc. and frankly, it's nothing to brag about. You're opinion is fine though. The fact that you misspoke about the new Mach 1 was my issue, and then the fact that you lied about it, another issue. As for you getting upset about my talking about your probable lack of driving skills, I promise you this... In 10 years, you'll KNOW that I was correct in what I said. By then, you'll know you didn't drive very well at age 19. Ask around. If anybody here is over 29 and says they haven't learned how to drive better in that 10 year span, they'll be telling a story.

LS1, your post led me (and others) to believe you're not in your 30's. If you are, you might want to reconsider how you approach your responses. I care that facts are what we read here and not just your ideas on things. I think that we'd get along fine if we met, even if we disagreed about things. The facts matter, not our persona.

I apologize if you two were/are offended by my realistic responses. I have what is oten called "rough edges," thanks in part to having to learn things as I go. Evidently, you two aren't faced with this aspect of life. Oh well.

Oh, and LS1, I might've written it wrong about the "toys"... I thought it was clear that I meant, "toys" that cost more than $10,000 aren't toys that KIDS are paying for. Those who do are the offspring of very wealthy parents who have absolutely no parenting skills, in my opinion. I hope it's OK for me to invoke my points/ideas too!

I made a comment that went unanswered though, and I'd like one. Does anyone here, under 25 have an 03 Cobra or an 03 ZO6 that they alone are paying for as well as any other bills they may encounter? I believe the answer to be "nope" and until I can note that as false, I'm stickin' with it. That's why these cars AREN'T for kids. Got it? Good.

2FAST, I haven't heard of anyone doing those mods and having troubles with their 03 Cobras yet. I've seen one run mid 10's too, with no issues as of yet. The internals of the 03 are all but indestructable, even at 15psi. There's already one company that got 22psi and 617rwhp with their modified replacment s/c kit. Stock internals.

Thunder, an otherwise stock ZO6 would very probably grenade with a 15psi blower. In fact, I'd bet $100 that's the case in 100 of 100 attempts. The engine is not made for boost. It would/has done wonderfully with no less than a 150 shot for several people and that's expected (well almost), but not 15psi with a blower.

It's not about opinions, when we're claiming to be telling it "like it is"...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey man when I was 25 I had a $150,000 house, 2001 gsxr 1000, 1993 cobra, 2000 mustang GT, 1997 seadoo xp. This is all being single also.
Now I am 27 yrs old and have an 03 cobra , 1995 gt, 2002 yamaha 426, yamaha 125 added to the list.

This is all possible if you don't go to college and work your *** off.... 70 plus hours per week
baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah I just got married too....

I have paid for everything I have had since I got my first job as a busboy when I was thirteen...

 

Hooray for the white man.......all this is possible because you didn't have the white man holdin you down. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Wait, you are the white man.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

No one cares how many toys the other guy has, big deal! Get off the, "I have more than you" kick and just be thankful for what you do have! <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />