When will they ever learn?
Staging Lane
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From: So Cal
Originally Posted by Camaroz
No doubt there 
Thinking a skittle is a TRUE Mopar is 
Thinking a skittle is a TRUE Mopar is or not...Kinda like present day Chevy "Super Sports":
FWD Monte Carlo SS
FWD Impala SS
Cobalt SS
50+k SSr
Definitely all----------------->
Last edited by 1sweet00SS; Apr 28, 2005 at 11:07 PM.
Originally Posted by 1sweet00SS
FWD Monte Carlo SS
FWD Impala SS
50+k SSr
FWD Impala SS
50+k SSr
Staging Lane
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From: So Cal
Originally Posted by Camaroz
Yes chevy definetly made a mistake slapping SS on the new monte and impala but the SSr does live upto the SS name it's just priced very badly
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From: Maryland
Ok, it's not that we don't doubt that Mopar makes parts for the SRT-4. Nor do we doubt that the SRT-4 has good potential considering it's a 4 cylinder car based off of a budget commuter/grocery getter in the neon (hell, we had 25 years of mustangs all based off the "Fox" chassis that was originally ment for mid-size commuter cars).
What we're saying is that there is a tradition and a reputation to Mopar that the srt-4 isn't exactly a member of. Big cube, big hp, ungodly torque, rwd mid/full size cars are what Mopar is known for. It's like a game of "one of these things is not like the other".
Unfortunatly due to stupid movies, changing marketplace dynamics, and just plain consumer ignorance, small fwd 4cylinder cars are quickly becoming the new "hot rods". The SRT-4, Cobalt SS, SVT Focus (when it comes back) etc, very well may be the way of the future for street performance (more's the pity) on a budget, but that doesn't mean that they fit right in line with the history of hot rods and street demons.
What we're saying is that there is a tradition and a reputation to Mopar that the srt-4 isn't exactly a member of. Big cube, big hp, ungodly torque, rwd mid/full size cars are what Mopar is known for. It's like a game of "one of these things is not like the other".
Unfortunatly due to stupid movies, changing marketplace dynamics, and just plain consumer ignorance, small fwd 4cylinder cars are quickly becoming the new "hot rods". The SRT-4, Cobalt SS, SVT Focus (when it comes back) etc, very well may be the way of the future for street performance (more's the pity) on a budget, but that doesn't mean that they fit right in line with the history of hot rods and street demons.
sad to say, people want small/mid sized cars.
Mopar is only changing to the market. Affordable cars with power.
Why can't they find a way to get an ls1 into that neon, lol. I couldn't resist. It has to be just as cheap to produce as that 4 cylinder with a turbo, hehe.
sorry, I'm just ranting................
Mopar is only changing to the market. Affordable cars with power.
Why can't they find a way to get an ls1 into that neon, lol. I couldn't resist. It has to be just as cheap to produce as that 4 cylinder with a turbo, hehe.
sorry, I'm just ranting................
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From: Maryland
Originally Posted by wickedwarlock
sad to say, people want small/mid sized cars.
Mopar is only changing to the market. Affordable cars with power.
Why can't they find a way to get an ls1 into that neon, lol. I couldn't resist. It has to be just as cheap to produce as that 4 cylinder with a turbo, hehe.
sorry, I'm just ranting................
Mopar is only changing to the market. Affordable cars with power.
Why can't they find a way to get an ls1 into that neon, lol. I couldn't resist. It has to be just as cheap to produce as that 4 cylinder with a turbo, hehe.
sorry, I'm just ranting................
It can't be a weight thing, the all-aluminum LSx series engines weigh about the same as an iron block 4/6 plus turbo assembly. I don't think it's dimensions either, the LS1 is actually pretty small physically. I'm pretty sure they even fit one into a Grand Prix prototype mounted longitudaly so you could use a FWD tranny with it.
It isn't a gas mileage thing, the LS1 pulls similar mileage to most v6s when geared properly and you keep the gas pedal off the floor. The z06 pulls 28mpg with 400hp for christ's sake.
Who the **** knows.
My bet is that it goes back to that whole "consumer ignorance" thing, where people don't understand that power costs gas, and just because it's a turbo 4 instead of a natural aspirated 8 making that 300hp, it still takes the same ammount of gasoline. V8s are viewed as "gas hogs" and i4s as "economical". There are large segments of the buying public who just have no clue and wont' buy a v8 because of misinformed preconcieved notions about them.
Teching In
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From: South Florida
Originally Posted by Skarecrow
What we're saying is that there is a tradition and a reputation to Mopar that the srt-4 isn't exactly a member of. Big cube, big hp, ungodly torque, rwd mid/full size cars are what Mopar is known for. It's like a game of "one of these things is not like the other".
Look at SLP...they now make Mustang parts! Are they now not true SLP parts or the other favorite word SELLOUTS 
? No they have to adapt with the times and do what's needed to be done to make money. Let's break down what you say defines a Mopar (btw where are you getting this?):
1.) Big cube...no it's not but for a four cylinder, 2.4L is a rather large four
2.) Big HP...I don't know if you follow the SRT or not but they do make quite a bit of power, especially when modified (e.g. upgraded turbo with minimal tuning and good old pump gas you can push 380-450whp).
3.) But wait what about torque...that's right it's a four cylinder therefore it makes no torque.
Motor makes for the most part more torque than it does HP and redlines at 6000rpms and peaks it's torque down low and power falls off after 5500. Hmm...sounds like the typical V8's powerband. One of the few 4 bangers I can make a turn (at just under 20mph) and keep the car in 3rd gear and still accelerate briskly out of the turn without going full throttle. It makes a good amount down low and even when running off the boost.4.) RWD/Midsize/fullsize...well it's FWD (which is a damn shame) but it gets the job done the way it is and it seats 5 comfortably.
Anyways yea...it's a Mopar.
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where's the Skittle Staging Lane
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From: So Cal
Originally Posted by Camaroz
where's the Skittle 
Welcome to the new Mopar!!!!!!
There is no doubt......
It's definitely Mopar now.... It's in MOPAR MUSCLE MAGAZINE. Even they say, "From Ma Mopar"...
Last edited by 1sweet00SS; Apr 29, 2005 at 06:43 PM.
TECH Apprentice
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From: Lumberton, TX
Originally Posted by TheBlurLS1
thanks for the info! its always good to know these things 
example) never race an 03 cobra from 50 lol
from 40mph i'll be in 2nd pretty nicely and from 50 my revs are up a little high, but i can still pull a few mph out of it. 30 mph is too slow for my 2nd, too fast for my 1st, and it would never hook up from a 1st gear roll anyway
there's a red srt-4 at school i've been wondering about. its got a carbon fiber hood/trunk/spoiler, FMIC, and black wheels w/ chrome lip. not sure what other crap, but i want to run him, win or lose.
btw - i'm on 315 nittos and 4.11s'
example) never race an 03 cobra from 50 lol
from 40mph i'll be in 2nd pretty nicely and from 50 my revs are up a little high, but i can still pull a few mph out of it. 30 mph is too slow for my 2nd, too fast for my 1st, and it would never hook up from a 1st gear roll anyway
there's a red srt-4 at school i've been wondering about. its got a carbon fiber hood/trunk/spoiler, FMIC, and black wheels w/ chrome lip. not sure what other crap, but i want to run him, win or lose.
btw - i'm on 315 nittos and 4.11s'
Are you enjoying those 4.11s???
dodge wanted it to be built by mopar to try and make it something that its not in an attempt to boost sales. everyone knows how popular mopar muscle was, and theyre trying to bring it back...but that **** aint MOPAR, that **** is a skittle damnit! taste the rainbow beeyotchesssss 
Teching In
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Well, I just got back from Chrysler powertrain testing facility and I have to say that the Neon SRT4 drivtrain is built tested by the same people that do the work on the pro stock, nascar, new Hemi(which is a joke by the way), and I asked the workers (40-50's) and they seem to think the same thing I do, its Mopar, like it or not, times change, just need to accept it.
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