Stang Vs. Ls-1
05-12-2005, 11:58 AM
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when i said they can make an easy 500 hp, i meant flywheel, not rwhp. anyone who knows a thing or two about building engines can mail order all the parts to make an easy 500hp with a 5.0 ford. in response to 12smustang comment
05-12-2005, 12:36 PM
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Everyone is overlooking one thing, IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH POWER TO MAKE FOXBODIES GO FAST!!! A 302 will have problems making it past the 400 HP mark with just heads and cam, but what you guys don't realize is that once its over the 300 mark it is in the 13's. My car was completely stock besides a **** load of suspension work and it ran 14.1's all day long. It hooked like a beast and I could take most LT1 and LS1 cars from a dig until about 3rd gear when they would come flying past me like I was standing still. I had a 92 Hatch with heads (iron GT-40), cam (B303), and intake with all the other bolt ons that would run mid to low 13's. I only owned this car for a month or so and sold it to a friend who put in a Built 331 which has the car running high 11's. The car only weighs about 2800 pounds. There are some sick 5.0's out there. I realized this last weekend when I raced a older 85 mustang and even on a 100 shot he beat me by about a car and a half. He didn't really let me knwo the specs on the motor but it was a carbed small block that sounded just plain nasty.
Foxbodies are some of the best bang for the buck cars. If you lighten one up and slap on some heads with a good cam you can have a low 13 sec car no problem.
People serious underestimate the power of the 5.0. Sure, stock you could beat one in reverse. But if someone knows what they are doing then look out.
Foxbodies are some of the best bang for the buck cars. If you lighten one up and slap on some heads with a good cam you can have a low 13 sec car no problem.
People serious underestimate the power of the 5.0. Sure, stock you could beat one in reverse. But if someone knows what they are doing then look out.
05-12-2005, 12:51 PM
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minus some of the ******* DUMBASSES that we have here on the board... it does not take much to make a little 302 run good...
i have only 700 bucks in a complete rotating assy.. forged pistons, h-beam connecting rods, crank, 205 AFR heads, victor jr. ported intake, 750 demon carb, 150 shot plate kit for my car...
i will take out MANY ls1's.. .easy but hell, my car is half assed on a trailor and a bucket of parts right now. still needing to design the new solid roller cam for it and throw the new parts in the motor anyways..
honestly i have argued this so many times, that i am not going to waste my breath.. just.. not... WORTH IT. there will always be ignorance towards the 5.0.. and im not going to try and stop it now... i will just let it happen to these people when there damn doors get blown off the hinges..
and here is one of our veteran members 5.slows...
i have only 700 bucks in a complete rotating assy.. forged pistons, h-beam connecting rods, crank, 205 AFR heads, victor jr. ported intake, 750 demon carb, 150 shot plate kit for my car...
i will take out MANY ls1's.. .easy but hell, my car is half assed on a trailor and a bucket of parts right now. still needing to design the new solid roller cam for it and throw the new parts in the motor anyways..
honestly i have argued this so many times, that i am not going to waste my breath.. just.. not... WORTH IT. there will always be ignorance towards the 5.0.. and im not going to try and stop it now... i will just let it happen to these people when there damn doors get blown off the hinges..
and here is one of our veteran members 5.slows...
05-12-2005, 12:54 PM
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here was my box of junk after i balanced the crank, gapped the rings, got everything else ready and back to my house to throw the **** in the motor...
i just have to spec out a cam and ****, but cant do it till i get the heads and stuff in... i am having surgery on my throat in a week and a half.. so the car is going to be on hold for the next three weeks :o
i just have to spec out a cam and ****, but cant do it till i get the heads and stuff in... i am having surgery on my throat in a week and a half.. so the car is going to be on hold for the next three weeks :o
05-12-2005, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBronco
and here is one of our veteran members 5.slows...
Damn that car was nice. That was the car that first got me into notchbacks, now I love them.
05-12-2005, 03:26 PM
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I was actually talking about at the crank, too. These cars were making between just over 400 to the wheels to 450 which works out to around 500 at the crank.
Making 500 hp with a street 5.0 without any type of forced induction is not as easy as mail order parts.
Chris
Making 500 hp with a street 5.0 without any type of forced induction is not as easy as mail order parts.
Chris
05-12-2005, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stang2841
what set up you running BigBronco?
sounds like a hell of a motor!
sounds like a hell of a motor!
well i first had intentions of making a nice street strip car.. but after watching and helping Tony (Nine Ball) and seeing other good friends build pro touring cars i have been hooked..
motor is just going to be a basic 347 solid roller. Decently worked AFR 205 heads, nicely ported victor jr. intake.. Cam will be in the 250/260 are lift is undecided. Need to throw the motor together and see what kind of P to V i am going to have...
power is going through a built C4 with a 3200/3400 stall and built 8.8" rear end with 3.55 gears.
motor with power loss.. looking at high 4XX rwhp... maybe a 500 rwhp but i doubt it (i will be happy with anything around 450 to 490 rwhp) .. and nearing 6XX rwhp on the sauce
I will get my *** drug by plenty of cars, but i am building something that i can enjoy and toss around in the curves. this is going in a 69 fastback mustang.. and already had my 6 point cage spec'ed out and what not... looking into Air Ride Technologies as well for my whole suspension... but still not sure.. I just have Konig shocks on all corners right now..
05-12-2005, 03:30 PM
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power is all in the setup.. extra cubes just helps it along the way and makes it a bit easier... Airflow is so crucial....and having a cam to match that just means SO SO SOOO much
05-12-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 98SuperSport
no, but stock ls1's do...is it really that suprising that a mustang has a hard time reaching for 13 second time slips? my buddy had an 03 mustang gt 5 speed with 4.10s, LTs, x pipe, intake, MAF and ran 14s 
05-17-2005, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 12sMustang
Well, I'm sure I'll be seen as a troll for a while on this board, but I'm here to stay. I've been on LS1.com for more than 4 years and have been on some of the mustang boards even longer.
That said, I'd just like to add my 2 cents:
5.0s do not make 500 hp easily without some type of forced induction. I've seen it done naturally aspirated with a flat tappet cam, carbed application several times - close to 450 to the wheels. I've also seen over 400 rwhp with a hydrolic roller cam once and it was fuel injected. That's pretty impressive for only 302 c.i. of displacement. These were street (read: low revving) applications.
Someone said that he could see it done with a windsor or cleveland, but not a 302? The 302 is a windsor.
Stock mustang 5.0s can roll a little more quickly than many of you are giving them credit for. My 89 with nothing more than advanced timing and a K&N stock replacement filter went 14.2@98mph with over 100,000 miles on the motor on Radial T/As - street radials. Anyone that wants to see documented proof that 5.0s could get into the 13s bonestock can shoot me and email at Chris42Arnold@yahoo.com, and I'll send you back an old Cars illustrated article of Tony Defeo running a 13.9 in a hatchback 5.0 (the coupes were lighter) bone stock.
My last n/a 302 went 11.9@112.9mph with AFR 165 heads, a ported cobra intake, and a custom hydrolic cam.
My current mustang is not a drag racer, but is a stock 5.0 pushing 9 psi and went 12.21@117.9mph last year on street radials. This year I'll up the boost a few lbs and gets some slicks and will go 10s.
Just my 2 cents,
Chris
That said, I'd just like to add my 2 cents:
5.0s do not make 500 hp easily without some type of forced induction. I've seen it done naturally aspirated with a flat tappet cam, carbed application several times - close to 450 to the wheels. I've also seen over 400 rwhp with a hydrolic roller cam once and it was fuel injected. That's pretty impressive for only 302 c.i. of displacement. These were street (read: low revving) applications.
Someone said that he could see it done with a windsor or cleveland, but not a 302? The 302 is a windsor.
Stock mustang 5.0s can roll a little more quickly than many of you are giving them credit for. My 89 with nothing more than advanced timing and a K&N stock replacement filter went 14.2@98mph with over 100,000 miles on the motor on Radial T/As - street radials. Anyone that wants to see documented proof that 5.0s could get into the 13s bonestock can shoot me and email at Chris42Arnold@yahoo.com, and I'll send you back an old Cars illustrated article of Tony Defeo running a 13.9 in a hatchback 5.0 (the coupes were lighter) bone stock.
My last n/a 302 went 11.9@112.9mph with AFR 165 heads, a ported cobra intake, and a custom hydrolic cam.
My current mustang is not a drag racer, but is a stock 5.0 pushing 9 psi and went 12.21@117.9mph last year on street radials. This year I'll up the boost a few lbs and gets some slicks and will go 10s.
Just my 2 cents,
Chris
BTW, Here is a test of an 88 GT that ran a 14.3 stone stock with none of the free mods like advanced timing, !silencer. http://www.gtasourcepage.com/88SuperStockDragTest.html
Jason
05-18-2005, 01:36 AM
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wow even some of the ford guys dont know what they claim to know. My 89 GT consists of shortie headers, x pipe, Mac pro dump muff,4.10 gears, suspension, et streets, underdrive pulleys, timing advance, car goes 3180 with me in it, and so far its been 13.37@100.89. no mph but it 60s in the mid 1.7s.
now ive added, 76mm MAF, Bogarts ( on order), Long tubes, and hoping to get the 60 down to a high 1.6 and shoot for some high 12s @ 102-103
most people that cant break 13s with a mustang are doing something very very wrong, theyre not putting the torque that the lil 302 makes to use, they are relying on somethin a stock 5L has nothing of and thats HP hence my 100.89 trap.
heres a link to a thread on the corral "Official 12 second stocker thread"
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...hlight=stocker
anyone ever here of Bob Cosby, 04 Factory stock champion? heres his site on stock motord mustangs.
http://members.***.net/bobcosby/stang/12sec.html
now ive added, 76mm MAF, Bogarts ( on order), Long tubes, and hoping to get the 60 down to a high 1.6 and shoot for some high 12s @ 102-103
most people that cant break 13s with a mustang are doing something very very wrong, theyre not putting the torque that the lil 302 makes to use, they are relying on somethin a stock 5L has nothing of and thats HP hence my 100.89 trap.
heres a link to a thread on the corral "Official 12 second stocker thread"
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...hlight=stocker
anyone ever here of Bob Cosby, 04 Factory stock champion? heres his site on stock motord mustangs.
http://members.***.net/bobcosby/stang/12sec.html
05-18-2005, 08:58 PM
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LOL. I went 12.99 with a bolt-on 5.0 16 years ago (April 1989, Great Lakes Dragaway in Wisc).
Documented 12.83 @ 105 mph in the Sep 1990 issue of MM&FF ("The Write Stuff").
Eventually went 12.52 @ 107 (twice) in late 1994 without lifting a valve cover or gutting the car. N/A.
Maybe the air was better back then.
Documented 12.83 @ 105 mph in the Sep 1990 issue of MM&FF ("The Write Stuff").
Eventually went 12.52 @ 107 (twice) in late 1994 without lifting a valve cover or gutting the car. N/A.
Maybe the air was better back then.
05-18-2005, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by needals1
Everyone is overlooking one thing, IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH POWER TO MAKE FOXBODIES GO FAST!!! A 302 will have problems making it past the 400 HP mark with just heads and cam, but what you guys don't realize is that once its over the 300 mark it is in the 13's. My car was completely stock besides a **** load of suspension work and it ran 14.1's all day long. It hooked like a beast and I could take most LT1 and LS1 cars from a dig until about 3rd gear when they would come flying past me like I was standing still. I had a 92 Hatch with heads (iron GT-40), cam (B303), and intake with all the other bolt ons that would run mid to low 13's. I only owned this car for a month or so and sold it to a friend who put in a Built 331 which has the car running high 11's. The car only weighs about 2800 pounds. There are some sick 5.0's out there. I realized this last weekend when I raced a older 85 mustang and even on a 100 shot he beat me by about a car and a half. He didn't really let me knwo the specs on the motor but it was a carbed small block that sounded just plain nasty.
Foxbodies are some of the best bang for the buck cars. If you lighten one up and slap on some heads with a good cam you can have a low 13 sec car no problem.
People serious underestimate the power of the 5.0. Sure, stock you could beat one in reverse. But if someone knows what they are doing then look out.
Foxbodies are some of the best bang for the buck cars. If you lighten one up and slap on some heads with a good cam you can have a low 13 sec car no problem.
People serious underestimate the power of the 5.0. Sure, stock you could beat one in reverse. But if someone knows what they are doing then look out.
if your car was hookin like a beast you would have had no problem seeing a 13, i ran 14.00@100 with a 2.2 60 on street tires with nothing more than 3.73s and underdrive pulleys. maybe you werent shiftin fast or possibly shiftin at the right RPM either way you were doing somethin wrong.
moral of the story
read a lil more talk a lil less
05-20-2005, 11:36 PM
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some of you guy's are dumb as hell. a freind of mine is running 12.90's with bolt-on's and gt40p head's on a 26'inch drag radial(275/50/15) and that's with out spray! just because you see some guy make a fucked-up pass and in your dumb little mind's you think they all run shitty. give respect where respect is do and stop nocking those little 302's.
