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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by turbols1_05
I eat Mach's for dinner modified or not, but thats with turbo Love that spool
Makes sense with a turbo, but then again turbos aren't just for LS1's.

What does your car run in the 1/4 with the turbo?

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(all motor and few bolt ons would still kill Machs).
Care to elaborate on that statement a little more?

My manual-trans Mach is all-motor (stock motor with NOTHING done internally) and I hold my own against all but the most serious LS1 F-Bodies at my local track.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
I got my info from the track's scale when me at full weight and full tank of fuel weighed 3400 lbs even, and a friends 02 Z28 weight a little over 3600 lbs at full weight.. I didn't go by what is said on the sticker.. I read it from the scale in front of me at the track..
Was his SS a convertible? 3600 seems very high. My Firehawk weighed nowhere near that much (it was a while ago, but I remember it was in the 34xx`s). Heck, my brother`s steel body, cast iron block, fully loaded, automatic Firebird GTA weighed in the 3600`s at the scale here. And he even had just filled the washer fluid bottle!
My brother works at a quarry, so we have full access to the scale that weighs the trucks as they are leaving. Nice to be able to do that, but the quarry dust on nicely polished f-body sucks.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
I got my info from the track's scale when me at full weight and full tank of fuel weighed 3400 lbs even, and a friends 02 Z28 weight a little over 3600 lbs at full weight.. I didn't go by what is said on the sticker.. I read it from the scale in front of me at the track..
He happen to have a few Lead bricks in the trunk? There's no way a Z28 was 3,600lbs without a driver ... if he was in the car, that would probably be correct.

P.S. Gas weighs about 6 lbs a gallon .... 15 gallons = ~90lbs ... we're not talking about a huge difference between half tank and full tank ... it is realistically only 40-50lbs.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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I know Mightymouse's car weighs around 3600 if I am not mistaken.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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isnt the engine in the mach the same as the friggin 99-01 svt cobras? i know for sure the 03-04 cobras are hot. but i hear the 99-01 svt cobras are slow? never ran one. but i got 2 buddys with machs. a 03 and 04. my buddy with the 03 has a prochamber, no cats, flows, and predator tuned. he ran against my buddies c5 vette at the track. he got his a@@ handed. the c5 was stock. i forgot what the vette ran but he ran a 14.1@99 mph at san antonio raceway. my other buddy with a red 04 was stock and ran a 14.2. but he span out forever man. dont get me wrong the machs are potent. but i still like the ls1 in a race.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by blackfang
I know Mightymouse's car weighs around 3600 if I am not mistaken.
Keep in mind Mightymouse has a turbo with water tank and intercooler, and is a 9 second car with full suspension mods, including SFC`s. Take he mods away, and he would probably be close to 3400.
Here is a link to a list of all his mods:
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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I am friends with him, and live in the same town. I know the car well Eat dinner with him and his g/f every Wednesday..lol.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TXZ28LS1
isnt the engine in the mach the same as the friggin 99-01 svt cobras? i know for sure the 03-04 cobras are hot. but i hear the 99-01 svt cobras are slow? never ran one. but i got 2 buddys with machs. a 03 and 04. my buddy with the 03 has a prochamber, no cats, flows, and predator tuned. he ran against my buddies c5 vette at the track. he got his a@@ handed. the c5 was stock. i forgot what the vette ran but he ran a 14.1@99 mph at san antonio raceway. my other buddy with a red 04 was stock and ran a 14.2. but he span out forever man. dont get me wrong the machs are potent. but i still like the ls1 in a race.
They are similar, but not the same. Both are DOHC, but the Mach 1's have different heads and cams which give them more lower end torque than a 99/01 Cobra. Plus a different rear gear favors them.

99/01 Cobras are a mid 13 second car in stock form once you learn how to drive the IRS. You are also comparing a race at a track. What was the conditions at that track?, Sea level? Prep? etc all those things will affect an ET.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blackfang
I am friends with him, and live in the same town. I know the car well Eat dinner with him and his g/f every Wednesday..lol.
Must be nice. He ever take you for a ride in it?
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawk312
Must be nice. He ever take you for a ride in it?
Nope. My buddy who worked with me did his alignment and David took him for a ride. jesse came back saying his head hurt.

On my website is Davids dyno video as well at Performance Autosport.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TXZ28LS1
isnt the engine in the mach the same as the friggin 99-01 svt cobras? i know for sure the 03-04 cobras are hot. but i hear the 99-01 svt cobras are slow? never ran one. but i got 2 buddys with machs. a 03 and 04. my buddy with the 03 has a prochamber, no cats, flows, and predator tuned. he ran against my buddies c5 vette at the track. he got his a@@ handed. the c5 was stock. i forgot what the vette ran but he ran a 14.1@99 mph at san antonio raceway. my other buddy with a red 04 was stock and ran a 14.2. but he span out forever man. dont get me wrong the machs are potent. but i still like the ls1 in a race.
well, since you seem to be very close to me, how about we set up a meeting at SAR? My car only went 13.2's @ 107 with a 2.05 60' last time out at San Antonio Raceway.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TXZ28LS1
isnt the engine in the mach the same as the friggin 99-01 svt cobras?
Frankly, NO! Different heads, cams, intake, and exhaust.

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i know for sure the 03-04 cobras are hot. but i hear the 99-01 svt cobras are slow? never ran one. but i got 2 buddys with machs. a 03 and 04. my buddy with the 03 has a prochamber, no cats, flows, and predator tuned. he ran against my buddies c5 vette at the track. he got his a@@ handed. the c5 was stock. i forgot what the vette ran but he ran a 14.1@99 mph at san antonio raceway. my other buddy with a red 04 was stock and ran a 14.2. but he span out forever man. dont get me wrong the machs are potent. but i still like the ls1 in a race.
What kind of elevation is San Antonio raceway? Because those cars are running a good 1.0 second and 5-7mph off what they can run at or near sea level. Low 13's, high 12's are very well within the capabilities of a Mach 1, however, not every driver is capable of getting the most out of the car. Dead, bone stock, right from the dealership, with a full tank of gas, my Mach 1 turned a 13.1 @105 and I'm far from the best driver in the world.
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TXZ28LS1
isnt the engine in the mach the same as the friggin 99-01 svt cobras? i know for sure the 03-04 cobras are hot. but i hear the 99-01 svt cobras are slow? never ran one. but i got 2 buddys with machs. a 03 and 04. my buddy with the 03 has a prochamber, no cats, flows, and predator tuned. he ran against my buddies c5 vette at the track. he got his a@@ handed. the c5 was stock. i forgot what the vette ran but he ran a 14.1@99 mph at san antonio raceway. my other buddy with a red 04 was stock and ran a 14.2. but he span out forever man. dont get me wrong the machs are potent. but i still like the ls1 in a race.

My buddy has an 01 that is pretty much a stock DD. It ran 13.50's.
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 01:19 PM
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thanks for the info. i just thought it was the same motor. but one thing is for sure though bout stangs, they sound good as hell with friggin blowmasters man.. i know all the fbody guys hate flowsmasters and they sound like crap on ls1 but sound sick on stangs....
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 03:29 PM
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i think that firehawk will spank something
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TXZ28LS1
thanks for the info. i just thought it was the same motor. but one thing is for sure though bout stangs, they sound good as hell with friggin blowmasters man.. i know all the fbody guys hate flowsmasters and they sound like crap on ls1 but sound sick on stangs....
I hate them on Mustangs too. Had them on all 3 and got fed up and went with magnaflow. Almost went with Magnaflow on the Z/28 before the ex and i split up.
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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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Hey guys i finally got to race a Mach 1 this last Saturday. We were at the street races and i saw it so i hit him up about it and he was bone stock just like my car. So we race and i put about 2 cars on him. He was a fender on me from the launch then it was over when i got into second. After the race he told me that he raced a bone stock 98 Z28 and that he took it by a car and half, so he thought he was going to beat me, but he is getting full exhaust done and wants to race me again next week so I told him sure. Real cool guy though.
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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 11:46 PM
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same trans ls1s are faster.FACT.


machs are not lighter.both cars are similar in weight.machs might put power down more smoothly from a launch but ls1s will overpower them midway down the track and slowly pass them.

close race yes.


advantage to ls1s.
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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TRMach1
Frankly, NO! Different heads, cams, intake, and exhaust.


What kind of elevation is San Antonio raceway? Because those cars are running a good 1.0 second and 5-7mph off what they can run at or near sea level. Low 13's, high 12's are very well within the capabilities of a Mach 1, however, not every driver is capable of getting the most out of the car. Dead, bone stock, right from the dealership, with a full tank of gas, my Mach 1 turned a 13.1 @105 and I'm far from the best driver in the world.

on machs running 12s stock wthout DRs.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
on machs running 12s stock wthout DRs.
Its been done by a few. Not with just your average driver though.
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