Teh thread starter said about a new cobra. What engine they gonan have? It isnt the GT500 he is refering to right? Isnt that basically a Lightning engine? I dunno much aboutthe future of stangs. thanks

John

 

My mistake the GT500 is the car I'm talking about. So lets rephrase the word afraid lets say "Who thinks that the Gt500 will make its mark in the street community/ unlike the new GT's") example: LS1s/03-04 Cobras/Neon srt-4s/etc.. non examples:350zs/ rx-8s /cobalt ss/97-04 GT's /crossfire etc...

 

Uh, I'm not looking to start a flame war, but I thought it was pretty well accepted that 03/04's had problems with significant wheel hop in stock trim ?? Not to mention serious traction issues on anything other than very sticky rubber ? (BTW, I've several friends that have them, and it is fact, not rumor)

I know that there have been many that have trapped 116 stock and run deep into the 12's, but there have been just as many that could not get out of the 13's. C&D tests resulted in a 12.5@116 for the new Cobra, that's bolt on territory for an SS or WS6.

Bolt on LS1's have put down 370 rwhp, cars weigh about 3600lbs with driver. A Cobra would have to put down 400 rwhp to match that with a 3800lb car and driver. That's about 500 at the flywheel, a little higher than where the new Cobra is forecast to be (depends on who you read, C&D stated Ford put it at 475).

Heads and cam LS1's have been known to put down 450+, and the car is still at about 3600 lbs with driver. A Cobra is going to need 500 rwhp to match that power to weight. Of course, it can be done, but that is going to mean a 25% power increase, which will only be possible with a significant pulley change, probably moving the boost up from 10lbs to 18lbs.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the thought of the new Cobra - I'm seriously considering buying one (or maybe a terminator), I'm just very dissappointed that they didn't put it on a diet. At least they could have given it the GT's aluminum block. And how about some non-metal bodywork - you know - hood, front fenders, doors ?

Sorry, but I don't consider 3800lbs to be pony car territory. That's what the old G-body's and giant Mustangs weighed. That's more sport coupe territory. Hell, that's nearly the neighborhood of the new Charger, and it's a total pig !

 

They aren't going to make 500. I have driven many of them and I don't think they are that fast at all.

 

DR's eliminate all wheel hop for those of us who know how to drive.
1.6 - 1.8 60's on DR's doesn't seem like traction issues to me.

Most likely it will come with an aluminum block, but not the expensive GT's aluminum block. Initially, intentions obviously were to put out the iron block. Last I heard, Ford was even considering dumping the whipple blower.

 

from a stop ill like my chances with a stock one but not from a roll.






time for some more mods damnit!

 

I think theres a better chance that it'll be fast than not, it'll probably have worlds of potential like the 03/04's I personally think that once they get perhaps a kenne bell/whipple/similar and have other bolt ons, they're going to be killer. Not to many buy performance cars to not mod them right? So just like most of the people here race lose mod, so will they and nothings wrong with that because lately fords been doing ok moving the standard up with the 03/04 cobras lots of people have to mod just to keep up with a stocker.

Moral of the story: I think the Carol Shelby reputation will reflect in the future.

 

Afraid no of one no.Not many cars worry me ,i know there are faster but thats why we mod them.

So far from inside info.Its gonna be close to 450 hp EPA rating but wil be like the 03/04 cobras and doing almost that at the rear wheels.

Ford has gotten smartter to modding though.The 07 cobra has adopted the roush stage III front pulley setup.So there is now a "cage" around the balancer and the stock blower pulley is just a hair bigger than the snout.So pulling it down is not gonna be easy..

Launching wont be bad esp since the rear is now a live axle and not IRS..

Guess we will have to wait and see.

 

Ahhh...the beauty of an 8lb lower pulley.

Guys have lathed (sp?) the Eaton snout to run a 2.60" pulley. The smallest that'll fit the stock snout Eaton is a 2.70" I believe. That could be an option.

 

Very true.
But we shall wait and see.If every need more to stay with one.
Ill just bolt on my 7.5 lower pulley(about 3 psi more)..Which should give me a cool 50rwhp ~75rwtq more.. Hell i may just bolt it on to say i did it.