foxbody vs. ls1
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Originally Posted by Motorhead6T5
You would have a better run with alot of ricers out there,stock foxbody most likely has some hard miles on it. It takes a decent H/C/I 5.0 to run with a stock ls1.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
Sorry to disagree you don't have to have heads and cam to beat an ls1 with a fox body. You do have to have a good amount of bolt on's thow. I have 75mm mass air sensor lts and a65mm t/ bodie 373 gear w/ h- pipe and can go head to head w/ a stock ls1, stock I say, don,t get me wrong ls1 guys, I own a camaro also.With this combo with good traction my fox went 13.30 at 101 mph with a 1.73 60ft.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
Sorry to disagree you don't have to have heads and cam to beat an ls1 with a fox body. You do have to have a good amount of bolt on's thow. I have 75mm mass air sensor lts and a65mm t/ bodie 373 gear w/ h- pipe and can go head to head w/ a stock ls1, stock I say, don,t get me wrong ls1 guys, I own a camaro also.With this combo with good traction my fox went 13.30 at 101 mph with a 1.73 60ft.
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Originally Posted by 99midnightZ
1 more quick question what cars do we need to watch out for in the ls1's ?
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Originally Posted by 99midnightZ
built mustangs yes although the newer mustangs i think they have a 4.6 i can take those by buses.. they are real slow unless they are built
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Originally Posted by Motorhead6T5
You won't hit a 1.7 on the street,so yeah you would be looking at tail lights. And I own my second 5.0,and two other mustang currently.
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Stoplight to stoplight a good running stock 5.0L is a good match for a stock LS1 car. A well driven 5.0L can 1/8 close to a stock LS1, its the second 1/8 where things get harry for the 5.0L.
I remember by best 1/8 stock in my LS1 was 8.69 and my best in the 5.0L was 8.87. Good run in my book, considering the 5.0L ran 5.89 in the 330' vs the LS1s 5.91.
I remember by best 1/8 stock in my LS1 was 8.69 and my best in the 5.0L was 8.87. Good run in my book, considering the 5.0L ran 5.89 in the 330' vs the LS1s 5.91.
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QUOTE: Stoplight to stoplight a good running stock 5.0L is a good match for a stock LS1 car.
I definately don't agree with this statement at all. The physics don't agree with it at all either. When I was stock, I used to be able to toy with mildly modded 5.0's. Let them pull ahead, slowly roll on the throttle until I was ahead. Then I'd back off and let them catch up, then hit it again and pull ahead, and back and forth. It was pathetic. You can build a fast 5.0, but stock for stock they aren't even in the same league.
I definately don't agree with this statement at all. The physics don't agree with it at all either. When I was stock, I used to be able to toy with mildly modded 5.0's. Let them pull ahead, slowly roll on the throttle until I was ahead. Then I'd back off and let them catch up, then hit it again and pull ahead, and back and forth. It was pathetic. You can build a fast 5.0, but stock for stock they aren't even in the same league.
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My 5.0 was really fast for its time but my LS1 makes it look slow. The lighter weight of some of the mustangs w/ manuals and mild bolt-ons vs. the relatively heavy F-bods with autos gives the impression of a more responsive, faster car, at low speeds. Especially compared with the LT1s and 3rd gen rides most people are holding them up too. But they just aren't equal to the broad power of the LS1 or LT1s that have been worked.
My little brother 5.0 LX notch back, bored .030, LTubes, open exhaust, F-cam, Edelbrock intake, 4.10, 5 spd, GT40 (iron) heads, with 9.5:1 CR (street tires) pulled really well against me through 2nd gear (I didn't power shift or launch aggressively) and we were even. I went to 3rd and put 3 cars on him before we let out. 5.0's need a good intake system, modern heads (alum. AFR, Trick Flow), proper CR, cam, tuning, and exhaust. Most 5.0 guys that aren't informed think that a GT40 head/intake is still the greatest technology they can buy. Just saw a '93 Cobra with a 347 and Holley Systemax Head/intake. Probably still not as fast as a stock M6 Z28 but it was faster than all of the other cars the guys says he has owned.
My little brother 5.0 LX notch back, bored .030, LTubes, open exhaust, F-cam, Edelbrock intake, 4.10, 5 spd, GT40 (iron) heads, with 9.5:1 CR (street tires) pulled really well against me through 2nd gear (I didn't power shift or launch aggressively) and we were even. I went to 3rd and put 3 cars on him before we let out. 5.0's need a good intake system, modern heads (alum. AFR, Trick Flow), proper CR, cam, tuning, and exhaust. Most 5.0 guys that aren't informed think that a GT40 head/intake is still the greatest technology they can buy. Just saw a '93 Cobra with a 347 and Holley Systemax Head/intake. Probably still not as fast as a stock M6 Z28 but it was faster than all of the other cars the guys says he has owned.
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Yep, a 6spd LS1 fbody(non 'vert) can run low 13's on street tires with a decent driver. It's gonna be hard to get a 302 stock geared, street tire, emissions legal fox running low 13's......even with a off the shelf H/C/I package. Regardless, I still love the foxes!!!
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Originally Posted by 99midnightZ
built mustangs yes although the newer mustangs i think they have a 4.6 i can take those by buses.. they are real slow unless they are built
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My friends Fox stays in front for my entire first gear.(AUTOMATIC). Second gear he runs out of steam and i pass him at about 75mph. He has a rebuild motor a race cluth and some mexican dude messed around with his timing. It pulls hard*_*
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Originally Posted by El Tiviris
My friends Fox stays in front for my entire first gear.(AUTOMATIC). Second gear he runs out of steam and i pass him at about 75mph. He has a rebuild motor a race cluth and some mexican dude messed around with his timing. It pulls hard*_*
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
I definately don't agree with this statement at all. The physics don't agree with it at all either. When I was stock, I used to be able to toy with mildly modded 5.0's. Let them pull ahead, slowly roll on the throttle until I was ahead. Then I'd back off and let them catch up, then hit it again and pull ahead, and back and forth. It was pathetic. You can build a fast 5.0, but stock for stock they aren't even in the same league.
Like I said good running, your not racing the right 5.0Ls, I gave you examples of my 1/8 mile in both my cars and its not like my LS1 is a dog, 12s on RSAs with only a lid and a catback is alot better than most LS1 guys see. On the back half the LS1 pulls away dramatically but its a good run to the first 1/8. I never said they were in the same league, I just said they are a good run stoplight to stoplight. Id appreciate it if you didnt put words in my mouth thank you.
As a matter of accuracy I wouldnt call this legit but as a matter of repeatability and comparability my LS1 and 5.0L were within a tenth of each other on my G-Tech.
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Originally Posted by mattkimsey
Yep, a 6spd LS1 fbody(non 'vert) can run low 13's on street tires with a decent driver. It's gonna be hard to get a 302 stock geared, street tire, emissions legal fox running low 13's......even with a off the shelf H/C/I package. Regardless, I still love the foxes!!!
Granted I highly doubt very many guys pulled this off, but figure if you worked at it long enough and watched the barometer you could possibly. The point isnt really that, its just that a light rwd V8 car like the Fox has huge potential even in fairly anemic stock form. The fact that most are owned by morons nowadays and dont run for **** makes everyone forget what they once were. Every once in awile you run into some guy that runs times with mods you dont want to believe.