300bhp/ton

What I originally said was this:
Hence giving a reason behind it. But see the crap I take for saying it.

In both instances I said I'd back the BMW from a roll. Just the 2nd time was more conservative - you know try not to stand on some peoples ego's as much.


But regarldess, without an actual race it's all talk, but hay this is a forum not a 1/4 mile strip

vtanju

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the M5 had a high flow exhaust and the speed limiter was removed. from 80mph to 170mph the vette was behing about 20m to 30m, but when we tried it with the C5 which has similar power to the M5 but with less weight the C5 was ahead about 60m. just a reminder the Z06 was also a C5 NOT A C6.

KB99WS6

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Ahh, so the M5 was not stock. Sounds like if it was stock they probably would have been neck and neck.

Now when you say the other modified C5 had 510hp, you are not talking rwhp right? Doesn't really matter though b/c any vette w/380rwhp or more should handily beat a stock M5 from a roll. 450rwhp or more and its a slaughter...thats just no comparison.

TORNATIC!!

It only takes the M5 21 secs to get to 150. That's only 4 secs behind the new Z06 that has 100 more hp over the C5 Z06. How about the C5 Z06?? 1/4 time for the M5 doesn't do it justice. It's top end is crazy!

KB99WS6

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ONLY 4 seconds?? lol. I'm no 0-150 expert but 4 seconds sounds like a lot to me. just think of a 4 second difference in the 1/4 mile. thats the difference between a Z06 and a cavalier.

vtanju

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the C5 is 510rwhp, and yes it did slaughter the M5, it was pulling away very very fast at high speed.

300bhp/ton

yeah but joking aside, I bet a STOCK, including rubber C5 Z06 doesn't do 0-150mph any quicker than 21 seconds.

I've looked but not found any results so far. But a 406bhp 2500lb TVR is only marignally quicker than the M5. Although I think the TVR would be a lot quicker if driven by a different driver to the data I have.

KB99WS6

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Well i think the base C6 is like 25 seconds is probably around 23-24 seconds I would guess, so yeah it does sound like that M5 has a heck of a top-end, no doubt.

KB99WS6

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I got this from another forum:

0-150mph (seconds)
M5 21.0 (Autocar, Jun 5, 2005)
Viper SRT-10 22.4 (Car and Driver, Nov 2002)
911 GT3 23.9 (Car and Driver, Jan 2004)
C6 Z51 25.0 (Car and Driver, Dec 2004)

Slow Vette

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so where's the vid?? i want to see that 170mph sedan fly

cantdrv65

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Nope, reliabiliy is not impacted in the least by a set of headers, which BTW adds around 50rwhp to the Z06...Economy actually improves. The only warranty legally voided by a modification is that what it directly affects, for many dealers it affects no part of the warranty as well......

That being said BMWs reliabilty is below average. Not pre-Ford Jaguar level but nonetheless, not up to GMs level either. Still an awesome car, and not really comparable to a C6 Z06...

300bhp/ton

ok showme ONE modded Fbody that is more relaible, more economical than stock and will no trouble going to the main dealer for a warranty claim, with something like a cylinder head gasket, high oil consumption or broken diff/drive shaft.

And as you know I'm meaning a mod to be a K&n or a CD played.

Swapping parts out lowers reliabilty, as a rule esp on other stock components. Even non directly related parts, like an Fbody 10 bolt. With stock power and stock rubber it's a rare event to break it, add LT's, cat back, lid, tune, pulley, rear end change and some DR's and it's a different story altogether.

And BTW HEADERS increase fuel consumption - more air (better breathing due to lower restriction) means you car would run LEAN so it there for needs extra fuel to be added. Thus less economical.

There are only 2 reason why MPG will be unaffected or slightly imporve.

1. You now make the same power for less effort, so to achieve the same performance as before you don't have to drive as hard. However drive it the same and you'll go faster and burn more fuel.

2. As already stated if the breathing is increased the AF will go lean, the PCM can only correct so far, but if you car is running lean then yes it will appear as better MPG

KB99WS6

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You keep putting words in people's mouths. You stated that reliabilty goes out the window once you start modding and this is simply not true. Its actually a really narrow minded view. He reacted by basically saying reliability is not always impacted. Where did he say modding makes the car "MORE reliable"?? He didn't say that. But for the record, some mods actually do make the car more reliable but I am not even going to go there right now, for this arguments sake. Obviously it depends on the particular mods and on the extent of the mods but the typical bolt-on's like say a CAI and headers and I agree with him that this does not really affect the reliability of these cars. And you can believe what you want but people have shown AVERAGE mpg gains with headers and CAI. Also, most people can still can warranty service with bolt-on's such as these. Once you go internal than it becomes more difficult but even than, I have known people to still get warranty service. Depends on where you take it. Regardless, these cars are a lot more practical than many of the examples you gave of specialty cars, and that ultimately was the point.

vtanju

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how do you post video on here? can i email it to you? its alot easier for me?

300bhp/ton

How the frig is a 2 seat Corvette more practical than any other 2 seat coupe of similar dimensions and ethos????????????????????????????????????????????? ??


It's such a comment.

And remember in the UK American cars such as Vettes, Mustangs and Fbody's are far more specialist than run of the mill TVR's and Caterhams

I mean some of the TVR's use Range Rover V8's which are just your ordinary commonal garden variety of push rod V8.

Slow Vette

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well i wouldn't kno how to either , sry..... so does anybody want to host vid??

KB99WS6

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300bhp/ton, man you are on Crack. You have SOME good automotive knowledge, I'll give you that. But you waste it with ridiculous arguments that you invent as you go. You're like a pro at talking out your ***, lol.

300bhp/ton

lol,

so how ya liking your Z06?

I was looking for one. But here in the UK it would have cost me nearly 4 time more than the Z28 did. Even an early C5 Corvette was looking like costing 2 1/2 times more.

Still at least the Z28's got 4 seats

KB99WS6

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I am loving the new Z. I loved my WS6 trans am too, but this is on a different level and in a whole nother league. the Z is like a world class sports car whereas the TA was more of a raw muscle car. The handling and braking are outstanding on the Z, and the most impressive thing about it, is how freaking smooth it feels and rides. Also, its extremely easy to drive b/c it's so easy to manuever and so responsive. it will go any which way you want, forward, backward, sideways, and do it in a hurry and effortlessly. And theres the intangible aspect that you can't explain but makes you feel damn good when you drive it. It's a really cool feeling. It has a much more upscale feel to it for starters. I took my cousin for a ride and now he is buying a C6, lol. Oh and another friend of mine heard about my getting the Z and my opinion of it and he is also buying a new C6. It's contagious I guess! lol. For the record I love the BMW's too. i think the new M5 & M6 are badass, and I have always loved the E46 M3's. Awesome all around GT's in my opinion.

vtanju

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so guys how can i post the videos for the C5 vs M5, need some help here