BLKWS.6

I ran across a primer grey "in the works" late 90's civic today
its raining, so no runs, but i know there will be later, i see this car A LOT around town. we didnt have much time to chat at the light, but i did get this info "B16 turbo" "about 386 to the tires" The car DID NOT look rice AT ALL. I mean, the ONLY thing rice about it was it was lowered and bounced A LOT, also, it did have a fart can muffler, but the muffler i couldnt really hear, it was NOT obnoxious or gay sounding. There was only 1 sticker on the back, and it didnt look like a racing sticker, more personalized, like a band name or something. The plate bracket was a "NX express" bracket, but he said nothing about spraying. He had a A pillar guage pod (saw 3 pods). And there is a intercooler on the front (no bumper yet) that had tubing coming out of it in what i would guess the 2-2.75" range, the intercooler itself looked to be about 18"x12" or so. this is just guessing. The primer paint looked well done also, not a ghetto job at all. Let me know what you guys think, does this sound like the real deal>?

stingpiece

I'll take a stab and say he's probably not putting 386 on the ground, but sounds like a capable car.

rastarajah

iTrader: (1)

there's potential, but again, i don't think it's pushing that many horses to the ground because of how you describe the suspension. i mean, if knew i were pushing that many horses, i would DEFINATELY work on my suspension before anything else, especially on civics. i hate my civic's suspension!!! but if he infact IS pushing that and only has springs (it sounds like he just cut his stock springs to me because of the jumpyness) then torque steer will be inscribed in his tomb hehe

6SpeedWS6Formula

maybe on spray he could be. With a turbo and nitrous it's definately not out of the question.

BLKWS.6

I guess the only true way is to hammer it out...I dunno, im kinda scared of the guy, I saw him get on it from a roll a bit (not sure if he DS'ed or not, lets put it this way, I HOPE HE HAD TO DS TO DO THAT!)and it shat and went assuming that he didnt DS, but I have no way of knowing, if he really has 386 whp, DSing would be STUPID in today's weather.

dannyz

Race the guy dude and find out. What the hell?
If ya win, great. If ya lose, no big deal. Ive had my butt owned more then a few time's. It's all part of the game. By your mod's you have a real sweet ride under you, so if you lose the other guy definately earned it, and it sure won't make your stang look bad, so don't sweat it.

Genesis_26317

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I didn't think a B16 Civic engine could handle that much output for long. I'd assume though that the engine isn't much of a B16 after forged pistons a forge crank were put in.

I don't want to sound like I know what I am talking about but my friend's 1991 Integra wouldn't be able to put 386hp "at the tires" with someout some forged internals. Wouldn't that be ~450 flywheel hp with a 15% drivetrain loss.

The sucker would have some serious torque steer though, the 400hp RSX in town (which eats Z06's btw the guy isn't rice) jumps towards the curb after every shift.

A frankenstein Civic can put around 240hp with a tune with a CRV block and a VTEC head swap.

The CRV block is slight larger than a B16 (I think its the B16) and the non VTEC Civic block is also larger than the VTEC block, after a head swap and other bolt-ons plus a dyno/tune they can embarass an LS1 driver if they know what they are doing.

They can pack the cubes (still pathetic only around 140 ft/lbs of torque) on for a dirt cheap price though, then turbo the crap out of it, then replace broken crap daily without a care in the world.

BLKWS.6

Yeah, if i lost to a 400whp car, I wouldnt feel bad at all, our paths are bound to cross sooner or later. I see him a lot. Have seen it 2 or 3 times just this week alone.

BLKWS.6

I want to get my A/F correct before I do much racing though. I have been tuning by the plugs and its getting pretty close by the seat-of-the-pants and the plugs. I am getting a A/F guage next week and putting that in. I will tune the fuel pressure off of that (basically the only way to tune this thing, it likes 45psi so far pretty well with the plugs looking pretty good, 40PSI they looked like ghosts and had the little black spots on the ceramic, indicative of slight detonation, at 50 PSI, it blew black smoke when i nailed it, at 45psi, the electrode arm is of a tannish color and SLIGHTLY sooty.)

2K2T/A

The average stock boosted B16 is good for 250-280WHP. You would really be pushing it in the 300-320WHP area. With forged rods and pistons they're good for 500WHP with stock sleeves. A fully built B16 is probably good for at least 600WHP. I'm not sure what's the record. I know B18's have gone over 800WHP.

2K2T/A

Of course the higher horsepower cars also have a built head, performance cams and so on.

Sparetire

The bouncing part is interesting. It could mean he is adumbass who overlowered his car and in the process killed his performance.
Or it could means has a really drag oriented setup, which has to be pretty stiff to prevent the very kind of weight ransfer we like for traction. Could you tell if the front was spongy and the rear was really stiff, or both, or what?

2K2T/A

Usually the cars with the coilovers are set to their lowest and stiffest settings. Which makes the whole car bounce off the ground.

Sparetire

Yeah but usually the people are morons. If thats the case with this primer car, then they have 0 traction even if they have the power they are claiming. If its a result of a good setup, yikes. A stripper Civic with that kind of power and a hook would be seriously mean.

Got Me SOM

iTrader: (2)

386 to the wheels would take only forged pistons and rods and about 15 lbs -17 lbs of boost with like t3/t4.

fwd's never hook on the street that's why they always have to do from a roll.

2K2T/A

This is the most impressive boosted street civic I've seen. Here it is at the track with little slicks.

http://frontpage.tripod.com/fusiontf...o/court989.mpg

BLKWS.6

the whole car seemed to bounce, kinda like a go-cart, but i owuldnt swear to it, and he DID look pretty mean when he gave it the gas in OD to get around a car...and 386 whp, thats a WIERD number to just pull out yer ***...I dunno, i think he might have it

Got Me SOM

iTrader: (2)

he probably cut his coils. that bouncing will bite him in the *** one day that means his tires aren't sticking to the ground to good. probably all cambered out too.

BLKWS.6

well, i dont think it was a nice drag setup b/c the car would bounce a good bit, not just a *SLAM* like from stiff springs/shocks but a *boing boing boing* from shitty stuff