Devylyst

Wow these guys are ******* stupid

25psi

Thats not what I'm trying to advocate to you! All I hear is torque this and torque that. It doesn't matter as much when your car in question is 800lbs lighter than the car you are racing.

98Z28MASS

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I completely understand what your saying about how the significant diff in weight transfers throughout the turns in a road course/track, and I dont have any physical proof, I just think from having driven both that as slp equipped ls1 powered vehicle would be on par if not better than an s2k on a fairly length road course/track. Now the s2k obviously handles WAY better, but I think the power and torque of the LS1 would be enough to overcome the weight difference. I could be (lol and probably am) 100% wrong, just wish there were some numbers on the two on a real road course.

98Z28MASS

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I agree, haha I was just busting your ***** as it sounded like, at first, that you were saying drop the factory torque for 800 pounds diff in weight but no difference in HP, thats all. Plus I just keep hearing how bad camaros and trans am handle and its not true, they are actually quite good.

98Z28MASS

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I wonder if they have any lap times in car and driver or road and track or something like that?

25psi

Yea there would need to be long staight aways or enough of them to over power it.

Have you have a chance to read motor trends viper vs elise shoot out? The viper does win, however it wasn't until the straight aways that the viper started to gain his advantage.

I do think the outcome here would be different since the viper had nearly 300hp more the elise opposed to only 80hp vs ls1 and s2k.

BLKWS.6

Well 25PSI I guess i'll go tell my friend his heavy *** 3500# 04 M3 wont handle for a damn and can not be used in anything involving corners

98Z28MASS

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Yea def need a few decent straight aways but id think it would be close. Nah I didnt see that article, def need to check it out as I love the Elise. Thats true though, if the lap times were that close with their weight difference, then maybe the ls1 vs s2k wouldnt be that close?

BLKWS.6

For the record, the lap times of a S2000 and a Mach1 in an older issue of R&T were VERY CLOSE as I recall. Not sure which one won it, but the difference was rediculously narrow, anyone remember the article or have it? The S2000 behaved MUCH better, but was too weak out of the hairpins

Sparetire

I saw a test somewhere where a SS was about even with an S2K at Willow Springs. Same driver. Same day.
The S2000 is about having a fun screamer car more than outright numbers.
The S200 IMHO, is not really even a track car. Its rear suspension in the early years was twitchy as hell according to the autoxers. Its high powerband makes autox very hard to do, and road racing as well AFAIK. the new 2.2L ones with revised suspension are much better according to the mags.

Honestly, its just BS that low end torque is for drag racing. LS1s are fast because of mean midrange punch. You use your low end torque for like the first 30 feet. After that your between 3 and redline. Or at least you better be. Low end torque is for autox and road course. There your constanly exiting corners at less than peak rpm, and need the pull out of there. Why people think you should have a high rpm screamer when you will be making constant low rpm exits is beyond me. Look at where drag cars run versus where road racing C5s run rpm-wise. Roadies are not bouncing off 8000 all the time like dedicated drag guys.

Having said that, the first page at least was pretty reasonable. But I have seen some scary stupid S2k threads. I saw one on COSR once where a guy was asking about his problems after hooking up nitrous. Weird noises, no exra power, strange issues etc. Everyone was stupmed untill the guy mentioned (get your puke bag ready) how he tapped the valve cover for the nitrous. Yes. I am serious. Really. The valve cover. Possitive crankcase pressure anyone? At least the real Honda guys laughed him off the site. It must suck to be a smart Honda enthusiast. Some of those guys are really cool.

BlackMagicC5

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Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about S2000's, but since they are obviously slow in a straight line, why do people act like the are so fast around the corners? I'm sure they handle ok, but I don't know about autocross. I would think a 9k rpm redline would really really hurt you in autocross, I don't see how that could help you.

WhiteKnightZ28

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I'm not sure I agree with you on this one, I'm not saying that an S2K wouldnt beat an LS1 on an auto-x but i think your logic is a little funky.

A good auto-x car needs to have;
-The ability to pull high lateral g's
-Good 0-60 times
-Tight turning raduis
-Good 60-0 distances

None of that depends on vehical size, weight, horsepower, or a 9k redline.

What you need is good tires, tight gears, good brakes, and a good power-to-weight ratio.

People auto-x B-body cars that weigh over 4000lbs. How? They get good tires, set up the suspenison right, and gear the cars low. Is it easyer to do with a lighter, smaller car? Yes, but just because its smaller and lighter doesnt mean the S2K is a better auto-x car. Its better because its set up to be good at auto-x (just like a mazda mx5 or BMW M3)

All I'm trying to say is, throw a god set of tires, some 3.73 gears, and some good brakes in an f-body and it would be able to keep up with or beat an S2K at its own game.

2000Hawk

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Check out what V8Killa wrote, hes asking when the domestic guys are going to give them respect. Yet look at his sig, 00 Civic Si Custom Dual Exhaust, Cai, 50 Shot of nos. What a ******* dumbass, they need to just get rid of that ******* site its a joke.
-Joel

Muerte_X

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I found this

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=1

Here's an excerpt from the article.
And it's time around that course.
Camaro SS Lap Time = 2 minutes, 16.46 sec,

It was faster than the

BMW M Roadster @ 2 minutes, 17.28 sec

the S2000 @ 2 minutes, 17.66 sec

Mercedes-Benz SLK320 @ 2 minutes, 20.87 sec

Porsche Boxter S @ 2 minutes, 17.46 sec


Not bad for a heavy ***, old tech pushrod, solid-axle, straight-line only POS, am I rite?

WhiteKnightZ28

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*right*... yes, yes you are.

Muerte_X

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Thanks, I purposely misspelled it to be funny(kind of an inside joke from another forum), but whatever.

Wesmanw02

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OWNED!!!!!!!

I don't see how the S2000's peaky engine would be good for auto-x at all. When you come into hairpin turns, you need to be able to accelerate out at a relatively low speed, and going back to 1st gear is almost never an option. So basically you are stuck at a lower RPM, (probably well below VTEC) in 2nd gear, trying to power out of a turn while mkaing about 90HP and 50ft/lbs of torque

Hence the reason I will never own a Honda for anything other than a beater

blue99SS

An S2000 beat by a corvette??? I don't believe it! F*cking Import morons!

Sparetire

Thats the one! I could have sworn it Willow Springs...

But that goes to show what some wide tires and torque can do. IRS is great, but on a nice smooth cambered corner live axle is not the huge impediment people make it out to be.

Sparetire

A rear tansmissioned, LS1ed, advanced chassied, light bodied, wider tired, 45K car should and does beat an S2000.

Its still funny when people are surprised by that though I like telling people about how succesful Vipers are in AutoX. They simply refuse to beleive it. It would be sad if it were not so damn funny.