99ccz28

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i have full bolt ons, ls6,pulley,headers,exhaust,kn fipk, 224 112 cam 373 gears and 3400 stall.....i wish i wouldnt have quit so soon, i have no idea why i did

slick1851

Fwd and a big turbo are good for higher speeds and topend, you could have got him or you couldnt have. Are you tuned? Cammed Ls1s move out good on the topend.

MY99TAWS6

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I love to chime in on these dsm threads.I love my f bodies obviously and I love the dsms also.The awd ones are just killer off the lights if your competition is not running drag tires or is also awd.The fwd dsms are very light and can be wicked from a roll and also good off the line if you run nittos just like we do.

I have two dsms currently.A mildly modded up fwd 91 turbo which is a bear to launch on my goodyear rsas..recently ran a 15.6 at 13psi with basically no mods at 2.9 60ft!!
Yep..2.9..practice a bit later and got a 2.4 best .This was on my tazzo vpc not track.track wasn't open yet.But tazzo was very close to track time about 3mph high.Car went 97 on the tazzo that run.

My 97 is being built to be a supertalon .It should be running in a week.It has 2.4 fully built forged motor and FP3065 which is a pretty good sized turbo and has taken these cars to 9 s with no spray but that is lightened race type car. I am expecting 11s on pump gas and 10s on race out of it.

I expect my twin turbo ta to eventually be faster than the 97 after build a nice 402 this next winter but the ta will be like 3900 raceweight compared to maybe 3400 for the talon.Ta is heavy!!

Here are a couple pics of the 97.

99ccz28

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well my tunes sucks right now, it stalls and surges a lot and sometimes doesnt start very well.

that looks really good

98Z28MASS

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yea man def get a good tune as that will make a world of difference. 24 psi is no joke in a talon and it sounds like the one you ran is well built, but I figured it would be a much closer race with a cammed, full bolt-on, stalled, ls1. Good race though adn get that puppy fully tuned! BTW for the talon guys, is the 4g63 the same motor thats in the new evo's or is the evo motor derived at all from the 4g63?

MY99TAWS6

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A few things to clarify..how much boost is only relevant mostly to the same turbo..eg same turbo at 10psi,20psi..etc.
Airflow makes the power and of course more boost on same turbo makes more as long as you aren't heating up your air too much.
A big turbo like my current one is 650 engine hp capable. 65pounds airflow and highest seen one dyno was 620whp...thats wheel hp not engine hp!
Off nitrous.
So a big turboed dsm can give a cam/bolt on ls1 a good beating especially awd off the line. I expect to be running even or ahead of buddies 500 engine hp SS and other guys sts ls1 at 5 to mabye 8psi.
I of course expect my twin turbo ls1 to be freakin crazy fast.
The thing with turbo cars is their potential to get much faster just by upping boost and tuning things. You might beat a near stock dsm at 15psi one day and then get beat by it at 20 the next if the guy runs race gas in it just gets his tune better.
If you guys get a change to drive a dsm by all means do so,especially and awd one.

They are not ricer cars.They can be truly fast with not super huge amounts of money thrown into them.The aftermarket is very strong for them and 90% of whats in my car is american..american connecting rods,pistons,aftermarket turbo,sheet metal intake,clutch,etc. etc. Only things really import are the motor and bare head.And it is a good engine in there they have seen 500 engine hp stock bottom engine.Not bad for a little 2.0.
I do still think my v8 f bodies are more reliable overall but lots of dsm suffer from neglect, high mileage now and young owners who can't afford maintenance.Changing the timing belt at 60,000 miles is one of the most criitcal things.They are interference motor and pistons hit valves when the belt breaks or slips.Also putting the belt on right is critical.

I will be running some f body buds and my own f bodies against my 97 talon shortly and will report on how things go.

30th t/a

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hey check your PM ASAP

30th t/a

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hey get me your number, i know exactly who you are talking about. im pretty sure this is the story ive been hearing all about except their claiming to have "smoked" a H/C car.

slick1851

Force Fed performance is def next in line when I get a bigger turbo, they make awsome setups.

But honestly you really need to be tuned, alot of people over look this and dont think is a huge deal. Its a huge deal man and its killing your right now.

TUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DSM 4G63 and the EVO 4G63 are the same design but the motor is flipped on the other side.

98Z28MASS

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Yea thats what I thought, just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

99ccz28

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i wasnt overlooking it i just got the car back saturday so i havent really had all that long i will def get a better tune

diambo4life

May want to clarify that. The EVO I-III has the same motor in the same orientation as the DSMs. The EVO IV-IX is flipped around ie. the timing belt side is on the opposite (passenger) side to that of DSMs hence why you cannot swap EVO IV-IX 4G63 motors into DSMs. I know.....that sucks. Obviously, the motors are not identical since Mitsubishi made subtle changes or "improvements" with each series - hence "evolution."

slick1851

I just didnt get to into explaining since most people on here wont listen, so I just gave a quick answer.


The EV03 also has a little higher compression, but other wise the same. It does suck that we cant use newer evo motors. You can use EV08 pistons a few local guys are running then instead of 2G pistons.

c5_ls1_6spd

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what does 4g63 and 20g dsm's trap?

LSINA7

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They all run 8.4's at 178.45.

I mean, are you serious?

c5_ls1_6spd

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i dont know anything about DSMs............sorry

XakEp

Anywhere between 16s and 10s. Its all in the tune and driver.

boostedinaz

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Anything from broke at the line to a bit over 130. That is not nearly enough information to make any assumption. Even with more info it would be a simple shot in the dark anyway. Sorry.

HAUS1

24 psi seems a lil much for a EIII 16G. I would assume a 20g or 50 trim+

I have my Forced Performance at 18 psi and made about 300/300 to the wheels.
So if he is at 24 with a bigger turbo, I could imagine it PULLS good!

MY99TAWS6

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Haus I assume you have like a fp 28 or something?
A 20 g is a very capable turbo and has pushed the dsms to 10s past and is still doing it although many consider them sort of old tech now.
You can't easily say what a turbo car will trap at as big variable in support mods,af ratio and timing ,etc
As said they can be all over the map sometimes and a lot depends on owner and his brains or lack of them.
Example at local track ran a honda with turbo kit and spray. Supposedly wicked fast but new owner some young kid.
I was in my 96z28 vert running around 14.3 then.Our track is at 1700 feet. Vert was near stock.Anyway I ran a 14.3 and the kid with the nitroused turbo honda ran a 16.5 with like a 2.85 60ft .He was on street tires.He didn't get out of the 16s all day.
I had nittos on my vert.

Just thought it was kinda funny wasting that turbo nitroused honda by like twenty car lengths! LOL
He woudn't run me when he came around to the staging lanes and got beside me the second time!