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Old 06-16-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CTSVSL65AMG
Spoken like a truly uninformed person with blinders on. Do some research, I did, I drove both, and did a lot of research for 2 months...they are nearly identical in straight ;ine performance. Numbers don't lie.
Check out Spd kilz . com you will see C6 ZO6 spanking the new viper
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All the people saying the Z06 will WALK a Viper are truly sounding like a bunch of ignorants.....have any of you ever driven and COMPARE both....my guess is, **** no!! You are basing your wise arguments based on those "precise" articles in Road and Trash and Tar and Driver!! Truth is they both are closer than you might expect. In fact after driving both the brute force of the Viper leaves you begging for more. The Z06is truly a beast, but way more refined.
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2006Corvette ZO6 / 2006 Viper SRT-10Coupe
Top Speed198 mph / 190 mph
0 - ¼ mile 12 seconds / 12.2 seconds
0 - 60 mph 3.6 seconds / 3.9 seconds
0 - 100 mph 8.3 seconds / 9.0 seconds
Lateral Acceleration Not Available / Not Available
EPA City/Hwy 21 mpg / 15 mpg

Configuration Cast Aluminum LS7 V8 / All Aluminum, 90 Degree V10
Valvetrain OHV, 2 Valves w/Cyl Pushrod Activated OHV, / 2 Valves per Cyl
Displacement 7011 cc / 427.8 cu in 8275 cc / 505.0 cu in
Bore 4.13 in / 4.03 in
Power 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm / 500.1 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Stroke 4.0 in / 3.96 in
Torque 475 ft lbs @ 4800 rpm / 525.0 ft lbs @ 4200 rpm
Compression Ratio 11.0:1/ 9.6:1
Bhp / Litre 71.33 bhp per litre / 60.44 bhp per litre
Max Engine Speed 7000 / 6000

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Mind telling where you got those numbers...?? Thats some HUGE difference right?? You have just proved how close they are....where those numbers taken under the same circumstances and same variables?? same driver? Oh and please check your **** because the Z06 has 505hp not 500.....some streetassasin you are....
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Originally Posted by CTSVSL65AMG
...its post like this that get things off on a tangent. PS, has you seen any lap times for the 2 cars (Gen III and C6 Z06) on the same track? Didn't think so.
Can see why this is a touchy subject for you. In my opinion, from a roll, the C6-ZO6 would not simply "walk" a new Viper. That would be a rather awesome race to watch though, to be honest. Definitely a driver's race...
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alright, lets settle this. who has a c6 zo6? i have a 06 viper in the showroom at my work. we will just find a long, long road and finish this. hopefully my owner will let me take it out.
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After reading all the comments on here, I don't know if I want to even post. I am sure I will hear all kinds of BS but here goes. From 80 mph a newer Viper and I ran hard all the way to 170. On honk 3 (IMO) he jumped a bit early, he hit it and then I heard his 3rd honk, oh well. Viper has a car on me. At 105 we are only 1/2 a car, at 125 even, 150 getting ready to slam into 5th I have him by a car. At about 170 where I think he let off I was 2 1/2 maybe 3 car lengths ahead. No big pull but I was ahead. Same scenario with the new C6 ZO6 but I was only 1 car length ahead so draw your conclusions. I would've like to have seen what would've happened in both cases had we went to 190. There was room and plenty of it for more acceleration and deceleration. I think its a toss up if you ask me. Any doubts, just check my SIG and you'll see she can do it. I setup my car with my next engine in mind, ProCharged 408 shooting for big Power. When that motor goes in neither car will ever get that close. Ok let the hating begin.
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Definitely something that a 100 shot wouldn't cure! But they'll take you pretty handily if you're still bone stock. Viper's are torque machines!

On the other note as far as vipers vs the new Z06, .......New Z06 all the way, but, it could also be a drivers race as well. The viper wins all day long with a much better driver. Drivers equal...C6Z 24/7. Just my $02. To be fair though, I definitely love, (and would own if possible) either of them...or both
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Originally Posted by Blackss99
I believe the zo6 is the runner up for the record @ nurburging the record holder is the 400,000 dollar porsche. Both the viper the the vette are sweet rides.
There are several cars (production) that are faster than both. Mostly specialist German and British machines with as much turbocharged HP as possible in a car weighing in the 1500lb region.

It's been a long standing battle and often centre place in many motoring magazines.

I think the Radical SR3 is currently the holder although the SR8 is substantailly faster.
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Originally Posted by CTSVSL65AMG
Spoken like a truly uninformed person with blinders on. Do some research, I did, I drove both, and did a lot of research for 2 months...they are nearly identical in straight ;ine performance. Numbers don't lie.
FU#* numbers I've seen plenty of c6z06 vettes pull the new viper. The viper is a very beautiful an fast car, but beating a new vette you must have been somethin
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Originally Posted by CTSVSL65AMG
No, I don't. I shopped the C6 Z06 and new viper's very hard for 2 months before choosing the Hennessey.

They are mirror images in 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. They are both beasts.

So the Viper doesnt have plenty of HP and Torque??? It has more torque! The same HP.

It weighs 180# more, big deal. Niether car will walk the other.

I have my facts wrong??? You stated NO FACTS at all.

go back to the viper forum. the new z06 ran 11.5@127 at car&driver and motortrend. viper ran 12.1@121- yes i say the viper got walked, need more facts
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I too believe a C6Z will stomp a new Viper. I've never driven either of them. I'm
basing my opinions on the ET/mph they've laid down at the local track.
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I think a new C6Z06 will put a few cars on a new Viper just based on the ET's and MPH's I have heard for both, a mix of real life and magazine tests.
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Originally Posted by CTSVSL65AMG
No, I don't. I shopped the C6 Z06 and new viper's very hard for 2 months before choosing the Hennessey.

They are mirror images in 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. They are both beasts.

So the Viper doesnt have plenty of HP and Torque??? It has more torque! The same HP.

It weighs 180# more, big deal. Niether car will walk the other.

I have my facts wrong??? You stated NO FACTS at all.
A stock C6 Z06 would walk a SRT-10. I had both, and I raced both.

A C6 Z06 from a 50-150 punch would put 4-5 cars on the SRT-10. I consider that an *** whoopin.
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Well I have to disagree on this one......

The fastest 1/4 mile I have read of from a main stream magazine for the c6Z06 was a...

11.5 at 127.0 mph

The fastest time I have read of for the SRT 10 in a main stream magazine was a....

11.7 at 123.8 mph....

Today while looking in road in track I saw that they got a 12.2 at 120 mph for the C6Z06 and a 12.1 at 119 mph for the SRT 10....

They are both capable of running high 11's at 120 PLUS mph....

But on average at the drag strip the C6Z06 will be 2 tenths faster through the trapps and 2-3 mph higher than the SRT-10....

In my mind the average well driven SRT 10 will pull a 12.1 at 120 mph compared to the C6Z06's average of 11.9 at 123 mph....

Thats not an *** whoopin but the C6 Z06 is faster.....

BUT WHY IS IT FASTER??????????????????????????????????

The C6Z06 weighs around 3170 pounds while the Viper weighs around 3350 pounds...

Your talking a roughly 180 pound differance in weight so thats not gonna make a huge differance from a dead stop....

They both average around 435 rwhp on the dyno....The SRT 10 averages around 460 rwt on the dyno while the C6Z06 is around 420 rwt on average....

So the higher rwt of the SRT 10 makes up for the 180 pound weight advantage of the C6Z06 off the line..

SO THEN WHY DOSE THE C6z06 STILL ( ON AVERAGE) TEND TO BE 2 TENTHS FASTER AND TRAPP THREE MPH HIGHER IN THE 1/4 MILE????????????

That is simple..... The Viper has 3.07 gears and the C6z06 has 3.42 gears...

Change the rear end in the Viper to 3.42's vrs it's stock 3.07's and I guarantee the car will be two tenths faster and trapp 3 mph higher.....

But this whole topic was about a roll race....

From a 70 mph roll the Viper will stay within 1-2 cars with a C6Z06 all the way to 190 mph...It is not an easy race for the C6Z06...

The 3.07 rear end hurts the Viper from a dig but not from a roll....

Some of you are saying that the C6Z06 will hit 198 mph vrs the Vipers 191 mph..

DONT BELEAVE GM FOR A SPLIT SECOND...

Every magazine says that they topped out the C6Z06 at 191-192 mph...

Every magazine says that they topped out the SRT 10 Viper at 189-191 mph....

These two cars are so close in roll race performance that it's rediculous.....


Just look at the numbers for your self....


C6Z06 vrs SRT 10
3.42 vrs 3.07 gears
31xx vrs 33xx pounds
3.5 vrs 3.8 0-60 ( fastest from a mag test)
11.5 vrs 11.7 1/4 mile ET ( fastest from a mag test)
127.0 vrs 123.8 mph ( fastest from a mag test)
435 vrs 435 rwhp ( on average)
420 vrs 460 rwt ( on average)
.34 vrs .39 drag ( both in the 30's and VERY respectable)


As you can see the C6Z06 simply beats the Viper to 60 mph due to it's better gearing and 180 pounds less weight...

But after the initial burst of gearing and lightness the Viper stays two cars behind all the way to top speed...

But if you were to eliminate the dead stop were gearing and weight matter most and have these two cars face off from a 70 mph roll....

It would be kneck and kneck all the way to 190 mph were they would both die out....


One person stated that they had owned both and the C6Z06 is much faster...Consider this...

Sometimes one guy will get lucky and buy a stockViper that has 440 rwhp.....The other guy might be unlucky and buy a stock C6Z06 that has 425 rwhp....

Or some one gets a Viper that is some what weak from the Factory and has 420 rwhp while a C6Z06 owner hits the jack pot and gets 450 rwhp bone stock...

It's not like the LS1 were one guy puts down 295 rwhp bone stock in his mn6 and his buddy puts down 310 rwhp bone stock in a different mn6 LS1 on the same dyno 15 minutes later...

These engines are MUCH MUCH larger...

One guy canput down 420 rwhp in his Viper and his buddy in a different bone stock SRT 10 Viper puts down 450 rwhp 15 minutes later on the same dyno...

Now imagine what a 30 rwhp differance ( in the luck of the draw from the factory scheme ) could mean between these two cars????????????????


To end all this Im planning on purchasing a C6Z06 or a SRT 10 Viper..

I checked out a black C6Z06 last week......Today I drove 45 minutes to check out a silver SRT 10 Viper...

The C6Z06 looked good but not much better than the base C6's to be honest...Especially compared to the convertable C6's that were parked beside it...

The Viper on the other hand simply amazed me....

The large front side vent on the Viper looked much more exotic than the front side vent on the Z06.....

The side exhaust on the Viper made me completely forget about the barely their brake ducts on the Z06...

The front of the Viper looked like an 80 grand car...The front of the C6Z06 looked like a base C6 with a plastic lowering kit glued to the bottom ( though the fender flares did look nice)...

The rear of the Z06 looked basicly just like my 50 grand C5....

The rear of the SRT 10 looked like a fighter jet with the two huge openings....

The four wind deflectors also looked amazing to me.

Then putting the top down and realizing that the Viper was 2 tenths slower in the 1/4 mile and trapped 3 mph lower......And also had a top speed 1-2 mph lower than than the C6Z06 opened my eyes...

The srt 10 is a true convertable that can run 11's in the 1/4 mile and hit 190 mph....

After seeing them both theirs no comparison for me. The SRT 10 looks like a true exotic...

The Z06 looks like a AWESOME every day car with exotic killing performance.
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Originally Posted by 2.73 Vette
Well I have to disagree on this one......

The fastest 1/4 mile I have read of from a main stream magazine for the c6Z06 was a...

11.5 at 127.0 mph

The fastest time I have read of for the SRT 10 in a main stream magazine was a....

11.7 at 123.8 mph....

Today while looking in road in track I saw that they got a 12.2 at 120 mph for the C6Z06 and a 12.1 at 119 mph for the SRT 10....

They are both capable of running high 11's at 120 PLUS mph....

But on average at the drag strip the C6Z06 will be 2 tenths faster through the trapps and 2-3 mph higher than the SRT-10....

In my mind the average well driven SRT 10 will pull a 12.1 at 120 mph compared to the C6Z06's average of 11.9 at 123 mph....

Thats not an *** whoopin but the C6 Z06 is faster.....

BUT WHY IS IT FASTER??????????????????????????????????

The C6Z06 weighs around 3170 pounds while the Viper weighs around 3350 pounds...

Your talking a roughly 180 pound differance in weight so thats not gonna make a huge differance from a dead stop....

They both average around 435 rwhp on the dyno....The SRT 10 averages around 460 rwt on the dyno while the C6Z06 is around 420 rwt on average....

So the higher rwt of the SRT 10 makes up for the 180 pound weight advantage of the C6Z06 off the line..

SO THEN WHY DOSE THE C6z06 STILL ( ON AVERAGE) TEND TO BE 2 TENTHS FASTER AND TRAPP THREE MPH HIGHER IN THE 1/4 MILE????????????

That is simple..... The Viper has 3.07 gears and the C6z06 has 3.42 gears...

Change the rear end in the Viper to 3.42's vrs it's stock 3.07's and I guarantee the car will be two tenths faster and trapp 3 mph higher.....

But this whole topic was about a roll race....

From a 70 mph roll the Viper will stay within 1-2 cars with a C6Z06 all the way to 190 mph...It is not an easy race for the C6Z06...

The 3.07 rear end hurts the Viper from a dig but not from a roll....

Some of you are saying that the C6Z06 will hit 198 mph vrs the Vipers 191 mph..

DONT BELEAVE GM FOR A SPLIT SECOND...

Every magazine says that they topped out the C6Z06 at 191-192 mph...

Every magazine says that they topped out the SRT 10 Viper at 189-191 mph....

These two cars are so close in roll race performance that it's rediculous.....


Just look at the numbers for your self....


C6Z06 vrs SRT 10
3.42 vrs 3.07 gears
31xx vrs 33xx pounds
3.5 vrs 3.8 0-60 ( fastest from a mag test)
11.5 vrs 11.7 1/4 mile ET ( fastest from a mag test)
127.0 vrs 123.8 mph ( fastest from a mag test)
435 vrs 435 rwhp ( on average)
420 vrs 460 rwt ( on average)
.34 vrs .39 drag ( both in the 30's and VERY respectable)


As you can see the C6Z06 simply beats the Viper to 60 mph due to it's better gearing and 180 pounds less weight...

But after the initial burst of gearing and lightness the Viper stays two cars behind all the way to top speed...

But if you were to eliminate the dead stop were gearing and weight matter most and have these two cars face off from a 70 mph roll....

It would be kneck and kneck all the way to 190 mph were they would both die out....


One person stated that they had owned both and the C6Z06 is much faster...Consider this...

Sometimes one guy will get lucky and buy a stockViper that has 440 rwhp.....The other guy might be unlucky and buy a stock C6Z06 that has 425 rwhp....

Or some one gets a Viper that is some what weak from the Factory and has 420 rwhp while a C6Z06 owner hits the jack pot and gets 450 rwhp bone stock...

It's not like the LS1 were one guy puts down 295 rwhp bone stock in his mn6 and his buddy puts down 310 rwhp bone stock in a different mn6 LS1 on the same dyno 15 minutes later...

These engines are MUCH MUCH larger...

One guy canput down 420 rwhp in his Viper and his buddy in a different bone stock SRT 10 Viper puts down 450 rwhp 15 minutes later on the same dyno...

Now imagine what a 30 rwhp differance ( in the luck of the draw from the factory scheme ) could mean between these two cars????????????????


To end all this Im planning on purchasing a C6Z06 or a SRT 10 Viper..

I checked out a black C6Z06 last week......Today I drove 45 minutes to check out a silver SRT 10 Viper...

The C6Z06 looked good but not much better than the base C6's to be honest...Especially compared to the convertable C6's that were parked beside it...

The Viper on the other hand simply amazed me....

The large front side vent on the Viper looked much more exotic than the front side vent on the Z06.....

The side exhaust on the Viper made me completely forget about the barely their brake ducts on the Z06...

The front of the Viper looked like an 80 grand car...The front of the C6Z06 looked like a base C6 with a plastic lowering kit glued to the bottom ( though the fender flares did look nice)...

The rear of the Z06 looked basicly just like my 50 grand C5....

The rear of the SRT 10 looked like a fighter jet with the two huge openings....

The four wind deflectors also looked amazing to me.

Then putting the top down and realizing that the Viper was 2 tenths slower in the 1/4 mile and trapped 3 mph lower......And also had a top speed 1-2 mph lower than than the C6Z06 opened my eyes...

The srt 10 is a true convertable that can run 11's in the 1/4 mile and hit 190 mph....

After seeing them both theirs no comparison for me. The SRT 10 looks like a true exotic...

The Z06 looks like a AWESOME every day car with exotic killing performance.
Did I mention I had both, raced both, and the C6 Z is faster??..
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50 - 170-ish race is a pretty large mph span

1-2 cars = close race with one car having a decent edge, but driver error can make or break the race

4-5+ cars = walked

I don't personally know how the race would turn out, but I'll trust Fadi.
Coming into this thread without any concrete hands on knowledge I would have thought it was closer to 1-2 cars, but he's driven both... and that's good enough for me.
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High 120's will walk low 120's. It's that simple.
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Originally Posted by Fadi
Did I mention I had both, raced both, and the C6 Z is faster??..
Apparently people only like to read things that support their own
claims considering your posts have been overlooked.

Carlos is correct. High 120's will walk low 120's from a roll easily.

2.73 vette

You just don't get it. Enough with writing novels already ok?
No one wants to read all that ****.
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I think the problem here has been the term "walk" and "***-whooping"....kind of very subjective!



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