KILL LAST NIGHT!!! BUILT 350's WATCH OUT!
09-05-2006, 02:30 PM
#21
Originally Posted by NemeSS
sounds like terribly set up sbc
why the hell would any one have a "fully built" sbc and run ported camel hump heads thats just absurd!!!! and plain dumb
doesnt that guy know about DART Iron Eagles, even if he's low budget
why the hell would any one have a "fully built" sbc and run ported camel hump heads thats just absurd!!!! and plain dumb
doesnt that guy know about DART Iron Eagles, even if he's low budget
I agee, they guy just doesnt know what the hell hes doing.
09-05-2006, 03:12 PM
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^ Correct.
A 350 with a resonable CR, decent set of alumin. heads, Victor Jr. or the like, a decent sized cam, and matched carb. in a properly set up car would be 11's all day and would have wasted the original posters mostly stock LS1.
A 350 with a resonable CR, decent set of alumin. heads, Victor Jr. or the like, a decent sized cam, and matched carb. in a properly set up car would be 11's all day and would have wasted the original posters mostly stock LS1.
09-05-2006, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by COMNBYU
^ Correct.
A 350 with a resonable CR, decent set of alumin. heads, Victor Jr. or the like, a decent sized cam, and matched carb. in a properly set up car would be 11's all day and would have wasted the original posters mostly stock LS1.
A 350 with a resonable CR, decent set of alumin. heads, Victor Jr. or the like, a decent sized cam, and matched carb. in a properly set up car would be 11's all day and would have wasted the original posters mostly stock LS1.
I agree
09-05-2006, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by COMNBYU
Oh boy, now we're raggin' on old school SBC's. EFI RULES!!! Yeah!!
Please, it's 10x easier to get a carb'd 350 to run than an LS1. Those that are hating just don't have a clue.
From the description of the 3rd gen in the above mentioned race, that's a "mild" 350 if I've ever heard of one. Double Humpers are a stock cast head. It would be comparable to putting stock LS6 heads on a LS1, you're not going to see a big improvement like you would with a nice set of AFR's or the like. Without knowing the full specs on the cam one cannot say with complete accuracy exactly how aggressive it is, but going on the lift alone and judging by the outcome of the race it sounds like a "baby cam".
I would bet my left nut that the "fully built" 350 consisted of something simular to this- stock 350 short block, stock DH heads, small cam, dual plane intake, and a 6-700cfm carb. Hardly the makings of a "built" SBC or a decent performer for that matter.
Please, it's 10x easier to get a carb'd 350 to run than an LS1. Those that are hating just don't have a clue.
From the description of the 3rd gen in the above mentioned race, that's a "mild" 350 if I've ever heard of one. Double Humpers are a stock cast head. It would be comparable to putting stock LS6 heads on a LS1, you're not going to see a big improvement like you would with a nice set of AFR's or the like. Without knowing the full specs on the cam one cannot say with complete accuracy exactly how aggressive it is, but going on the lift alone and judging by the outcome of the race it sounds like a "baby cam".
I would bet my left nut that the "fully built" 350 consisted of something simular to this- stock 350 short block, stock DH heads, small cam, dual plane intake, and a 6-700cfm carb. Hardly the makings of a "built" SBC or a decent performer for that matter.
Well put my only disagreement is that I think the LS cars are 10x easier to get in the 12s than an old 350.
09-05-2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 94CamaroZzZ
Never got it there =\ Stopped running 114 smell good and started using 93 and broke a piston and spit it out the oil pan =\. Easy mid 12's..=) I would keep up with a bike 30-120..they would get a suprised look..
09-05-2006, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sigforty
Well put my only disagreement is that I think the LS cars are 10x easier to get in the 12s than an old 350.
Out of the box I agree 100%. Hell my LS1 ran 12's basically stock.
But once you get into reall modifications it's cheaper and easier to get a traditional 350 SBC to run.
09-05-2006, 08:30 PM
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I agree its cheaper and easier to get a carbed SBC to run but, you give up so much when doing so....streetability, dependability, gas mileage, comfort, etc. Just like the old saying says, "You get what you pay for."
09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
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You guys are WAY off in your thinking!
If you have two cars, lets say a 2002 LS1 Camaro and a 1972 Camaro...both stock automatic with small block 5.7 engines (350/346).....lets say you want to run 12's:
1972....aftermarket heads, big cam, full exhaust, carb, ignition, converter, gears, tires.
2002....converter, tires, lid, headers/exhaust.
Same scenario to run 11's, 10's, etc. You will have less money in making the new ride a 12,11,10 sec. car than the old school muscle. I like the old school stuff, but if you want a fast car, its easier and cheaper to make the new cars run hard.
you could buy a 98 LS1 for about 7000 in decent shape, you would spend about that much for a nice old muscle car that is stock. If your goal is to run fast and be dependable, then get the newer car!
SDB
If you have two cars, lets say a 2002 LS1 Camaro and a 1972 Camaro...both stock automatic with small block 5.7 engines (350/346).....lets say you want to run 12's:
1972....aftermarket heads, big cam, full exhaust, carb, ignition, converter, gears, tires.
2002....converter, tires, lid, headers/exhaust.
Same scenario to run 11's, 10's, etc. You will have less money in making the new ride a 12,11,10 sec. car than the old school muscle. I like the old school stuff, but if you want a fast car, its easier and cheaper to make the new cars run hard.
you could buy a 98 LS1 for about 7000 in decent shape, you would spend about that much for a nice old muscle car that is stock. If your goal is to run fast and be dependable, then get the newer car!
SDB
09-05-2006, 10:40 PM
#30
Originally Posted by slick1851
Car clubs are for homos...
His car is just a poorly put together small block, wait till you mess around with a Old school junk box thats been built right.
His car is just a poorly put together small block, wait till you mess around with a Old school junk box thats been built right.
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09-05-2006, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SDB
You guys are WAY off in your thinking!
If you have two cars, lets say a 2002 LS1 Camaro and a 1972 Camaro...both stock automatic with small block 5.7 engines (350/346).....lets say you want to run 12's:
1972....aftermarket heads, big cam, full exhaust, carb, ignition, converter, gears, tires.
2002....converter, tires, lid, headers/exhaust.
Same scenario to run 11's, 10's, etc. You will have less money in making the new ride a 12,11,10 sec. car than the old school muscle. I like the old school stuff, but if you want a fast car, its easier and cheaper to make the new cars run hard.
you could buy a 98 LS1 for about 7000 in decent shape, you would spend about that much for a nice old muscle car that is stock. If your goal is to run fast and be dependable, then get the newer car!
SDB
If you have two cars, lets say a 2002 LS1 Camaro and a 1972 Camaro...both stock automatic with small block 5.7 engines (350/346).....lets say you want to run 12's:
1972....aftermarket heads, big cam, full exhaust, carb, ignition, converter, gears, tires.
2002....converter, tires, lid, headers/exhaust.
Same scenario to run 11's, 10's, etc. You will have less money in making the new ride a 12,11,10 sec. car than the old school muscle. I like the old school stuff, but if you want a fast car, its easier and cheaper to make the new cars run hard.
you could buy a 98 LS1 for about 7000 in decent shape, you would spend about that much for a nice old muscle car that is stock. If your goal is to run fast and be dependable, then get the newer car!
SDB
You will be shocked to find out what mild Big blocks can do, and how fast a mild SBC can move out.
09-06-2006, 02:17 AM
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Laundry list of mods? Lol..basically same thing as a stock ls1 just seem very "mild" because there not on the car stock. An ls1 intake flows just as good as a carbed single plane..a stock tb on a lsx car will flow just as good as a nice vac. secondaries carb, some nice alum heads are going to flow to th same rate as the stock ls1 heads..and so on and so on..so basically my car was just matched with the ls1 with gears and a stall..big deal?EDIT: Ran with me, beat me..hah...
09-06-2006, 06:41 AM
#33
Originally Posted by slick1851
You really havent been around SBC abd BBC cars so please put your 2 cents to chairty because your not correct.
You will be shocked to find out what mild Big blocks can do, and how fast a mild SBC can move out.
You will be shocked to find out what mild Big blocks can do, and how fast a mild SBC can move out.
09-06-2006, 10:03 AM
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I agreed that "out of the box" an LS1 is easier to get a 12 sec pass out of for the most part. If you want to get technical, there were some "hot" factory 350's back in the day that would run with an LS1, and depending on which car they were in, would out run an LS1 stock for stock.
If you want to take it to the extreme side (not just running 12's) we can look at the big and recent Tosto brother's race that was on national television, although there are many more examples of this I could come up with. With that race you had two very simular set up cars in terms of tranny, weight, gearing, etc. The old school Firebird was running a carb'd 357 and the 4th gen Camaro had a LS1 based 422. Although in the show the Firebird had some clutch problems they normally run about the same ET's from what I've heard/seen. I think that speaks for itself.
If you want to take it to the extreme side (not just running 12's) we can look at the big and recent Tosto brother's race that was on national television, although there are many more examples of this I could come up with. With that race you had two very simular set up cars in terms of tranny, weight, gearing, etc. The old school Firebird was running a carb'd 357 and the 4th gen Camaro had a LS1 based 422. Although in the show the Firebird had some clutch problems they normally run about the same ET's from what I've heard/seen. I think that speaks for itself.
09-06-2006, 07:38 PM
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the biggest factor here is ls1 is a factory roller motor with 15* heads versus an old school sbc with iron conventional heads and a antiquated flat tappet. just to make it interesting talking about the capabilities about evenly matched motors. give the old school sbc a set of 15* heads and a roller cam and see who comes out on top.
09-06-2006, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 68maro
give the old school sbc a set of 15* heads and a roller cam and see who comes out on top.
There is no way a stock 350 old school engine can compare the intake/heads/roller cam of the new cars...period. Anything can be made to be fast, but it is cheaper/easier to get to about any preset hp level or ET with the new car.
SDB
09-07-2006, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SDB
well, then there would be no advantage other than the 4 cubic inches and firing order of engine.....so it would pretty much be even!!
There is no way a stock 350 old school engine can compare the intake/heads/roller cam of the new cars...period. Anything can be made to be fast, but it is cheaper/easier to get to about any preset hp level or ET with the new car.
SDB
There is no way a stock 350 old school engine can compare the intake/heads/roller cam of the new cars...period. Anything can be made to be fast, but it is cheaper/easier to get to about any preset hp level or ET with the new car.
SDB
