2v are definatley not the way to go if you're looking to make na power, just too few cubes. At the shop that tunes my car an employee currently has the fastest na 2v running 10.60s.

Before I painted and added the hood to my car I could get away with just being another loud stang and surprise people. I actually like being the underdog, much more fun when I win.

Last good race with an ls1 was with a stalled, cammed, 02 making 413. He also had alittle suspension including a k member. He showed up at a local meet and had some buddies trying to setup a race. They were jocking him pretty hard and no one stepped up. I told him I wouldn't mind a friendly run and his friends looked at me strange as if I was about to get destroyed. Needless to say they got shocked, lol. I was making 540/650 so maybe I was the only one not surprised

 

My 2 valve can hold its own against just about any LS1 within 20 miles of where I live. Its not stock by any means but it is fast

 

thats a pretty serious time with so little hp. how can that car with 449 get 10's when it take almost 600 for a LS1 with a turbo/sc. i know theres a weight difference but thats 150rwhp we're talking about. just sounds iffy to me.

and there arent ANY 8sec cars just driving around here. they would be trailered if they were THAT fast because people arent cool like that

 

man some people are just plain ignorant

 

Maybe I am wrong, but I was lead to belive that Mustangs WERE cheap to make fast?

 

That's totally believable. Coupes are very light. Look at his 60ft. 1.4 is gettin it done. LS1's need 600rwhp due to weight and there 60ft isn't as low at the same mustang running the same ET. The lowest rwhp mod motor that I've seen in the 10's (10.79@126) made 382rwhp. I have a video of me running my buddy a long time ago and with weight reduction, cams, and bolt-ons he when 12.4 at 110 slow shifting the 2-3. Even though they don't make power taking weight out is just the same as adding hp. -Mark

EDIT: Although I'd like to know how he made 450rwhp with shitty E7 heads and a stock intake. If it's truely a stock motor they put down 180-190ish to the ground N/A. Can't seem them adding over 260rwhp with only 9psi on a stock longblock at it not puking a rod out the side of the block.

 

The previous 2v na record holder was that guy Ken who was only making 368rwhp and ran a 10.80. The guy who broke it makes 420+ but weighs 3k lbs.

 

Can any of this cars even pass CALIFORNIA SMOG or at least in some other state?

 

In answer to the question, yes, there are such things as fast 2 valves. As the previous poster stated, silverstang00 (friend of mine), his car is one to prove this fact. His car makes nearly 500 RWHP and could be classified as a daily driver (however he does not drive it everyday, I'm just stating that he could). It does have a blower, but that's what these cars respond well to. From what I have seen and read, LS1's respond well to head's and cams. Just two different ways of getting power. I think the reason it seems that most 2v's are slow is maybe because the chances of you encountering a fast 2v are slimmer than you encountering a quick LS1. Why? Because mustangs, unfortunately, are much more common on the road because there were a LOT more of them produced than Camaro's and Firebirds. So there are some fast ones out there, but you just may have to cipher through all the stock or nearly stock ones that are on the road before you find one worth your while. But also, just as someone else pointed out, ultimately a 2v is almost always going to get beaten by an LS1 because this is Ford's bottom of the line MOD motor. Stack an LS1 up against a Mach 1, and the race would be a little more exciting, however stock vs. stock the LS1 will still probably win slightly. LS1's are awesome motors, no denying that. Hope some of that made sense!

And yes, my friend's car passes emissions every year, even with SO (sarcastic) much horsepower from a 2v!

 

 

I agree..there are alot of different things to look at. I just didn't want to do a 'complete' hi jack. I could write a book on here.......

I was just trying to give some insight. I just get tired of the 'ole 281 is crap and FMC needs a blower.......two different motors, two different designs. For some reason, that is very hard for people to comprehend. Not to mention they forget the easiest, most basic thing...........LS has more Cubes.....and pushrods LOVE cams/heads.........(different designs).

 

My buddy has a 98 2V running a newer style block forged engine. It puts out about 500rwhp and at the moment is simply supercharger flow limited. His fuel system will support 1000hp and the engine shouldnt have a problem making it either once he upgrades the charger. Its fast as is, although he riced it out a little more than Id like. It also pisses him off when my Z06 walks off from him NA, so id expect him to get the new charger soon.

 

Well your wrong, last dyno my stang made 425rwhp on a blown headgasket on a stock block 306. Now with meth and more timing i should be right around 450rwhp maybe more i'm not sure yet.

The stock 302 is usually good for about 400-450rwhp BUT at that point they will split sooner or later it's a time bomb. They are weak blocks no doubt but you can make decent numbers with them for alittle while on a good tune.

 

Cool, but your sig says h/c/i & boost. The claim for this other one was 9spi turbo and all else stock.

 

Ahh i didn't see that turbo part, i was putting out 8psi on a supercharger. But still i was stating that you can make that kinda power without spliting the block.

Refering to turbo cars, there was a couple the dyno guy i go to had graphs of. They were all stock making 500rwhp and around the same lbft of torque. I believe those were at 10-12psi. I kinda kick myself in the *** for not going with a turbo kit .

 

simple answer to the question is "no there is no fast 2v engines". unless they have forced induction, nitrous,or more cubic inches. even a 2v with simple bolt ons cant hang with a well driven stock 01-02 ls1 m6 f-body.
when i had just bolts on i ran a local guy with a vortech under the hood of his sn95 with supporting mods three times ones from a dig and twice from a 25 roll and another two times on the freeway and he had no chance. all the races had the same outcome me ahead by 2.5 cars. after those races he put a 351 under the hood and ended up blowing the motor and selling the car.

by the way why is there always so many mustang guys in this forum?

 

ive seen that black livernois stang in person, it has about the biggest blower you could possibly put on it.
sn95's are a joke they run 15's, yes the v8s.

 

I drove it.

Yeah...and? Power is power right?


Mach's and '03 Cobras are both sn95's.

 

Im pretty sure its around 550rwhp dont qoute me though

He never said how many miles the car had on it, it could be some 20k mile fox but for the most part I thought exactly what you were thinking. That blocks gonna be ready to go anytime soon.

The LS1 has a couple more cubes and much better h/c.
The car doesnt have a hellion turbo kit on it does it? Hey unit how does livernois' black stang compare to your car?

 

I believe they've only had it to the track once with the current mods.
I think they broke something too. I believe it's good for 140mph
traps. Of course, ET is all in the hook and driving so it depends
who's behind the wheel. I want to make a pass in it.

It would be a good race between it and my car...definitely would
be fun. Maybe we'll set it up next spring. By rights, it should walk
me by a few cars...blower vs. blower.