exaggerated? I never said I was talking about a 93 5.0 GT vert with 15" subs in the back. I said that his car is heavier by about 400 lbs than a fox, keeping in mind this is a drag discussion, and in my mind, the mind of all the mustang guys I know, and maybe a good many people here, I think of Notches. I do apologize that I didnt catch ur earlier statement about "or a notchback". cuz then I could have avoided some minor irritation and just called u out for being a nitpicky firestarter. yes, I was taking the 3500ish SN95 vs the 2900ish notch, which, in all reality starts to creep up to damn near 500lbs difference when u put them on the scale. so, elevens, are u done with this and can we get back to some kind of a meaningful discussion or what?

 

3500lbs is MAYBE like a '96 fully optioned automatic Mustang GT convertible... but whatever dude, you're right, I'm wrong, back to the original topic.

Edit: And I was only being year-specific using '93 because that was the last fox-body, and I wanted compare GT to GT, as close as possible... a 1986 LX notchback is gonna weigh quite a bit less than a '93 GT.

 

My dad can beat up your dad..LOL

 

 

400lbs makes a big difference when your car comes with what 215 hp?.....I stick by my statement...

 

I don't think it's 400 lbs, either. I owned an LX hatch that weight 2976 lbs without a spare tire, with aluminum heads, 1/8 tank of gas, no a/c, and no smog pump.

I think a 5 spd 94-95 GT weighs around 3300 lbs.... maybe 3400 lbs. A stock hatchback GT (they're all hatchbacks) from 87-'93 should weigh around 3250 lbs.

Granted an optionless notch-back is going to weigh less than 3000 (and probably only a little over 2900 lbs), but notches are uncommon, and aren't what most people think about when you refer to the 5.0s.... They think of the much more common 5.0 GTs, which when added to the number hatchback LXs vastly outnumber the notchback LXs.... The notches are actually quite collectible right now, and are usually overvalued in my mind at least.

Chris

 

if u look higher you can see that I was talking about a notch, and while they arent all over the streets, they are ALL over the track, and its what I and most of the people I know of think of when we think of dragging a fox. I still fail to see why this is such a big deal. we have some cars quoted by you gusy that are about 500 lbs in difference, and some that are around 300ish. can we average and be done with it? damn



we can go ahead and say that if anybody is going to discredit the weight difference between the fox and sn95 they havent dealt with the cars. the difference is significant enough to affect the race outcome, and that was the point I made.

 

My 90 coupe ways 3100 pounds with drag lites 1/4 tank of gas.

 

Good kill. I can see why he does not feel too good; especially with all the mods he's got. Damb! It must suck for him that it takes h/c and nitrous to kill a stock LS1 on those cars? Will that engine even handle H/C and Nitrous?

 

easily. the 5.0 could take HCI and a 150 shot if tuned right. i think we said somewhere in here... but he is going to be getting a tune, as well as new injectors, MAF, and a few other regulatory goodies, he should see some big gains. unfortunately for him, im going to be doing a Q1 full drag setup and long tubes here shortly, and working my way up to a big cam, so I think hes still screwed that is until he goes FI

 

I'm just looking forward to ported heads/cams, and either some boost or some spray in my '01 GT 5spd... but I am looking forward to racing a stock LS1 after getting some 4.10s and a tune.

 

honestly, if you do full bolt ons and cams with gears you can do alright in a PI stang. I know a guy with VT stage 2 cams with full boltons and he pulled on an auto 00 camaro. Heads would put you in pretty good shape too. I used to have a full bolt on 00GT, dyno'd at 263 hp 305 ft lbs with a custom dyno tune. that wasnt quite enough to take out the LS1, but I sprayed a 100 shot on it and that did the trick

 

yep, and about 265rwhp in a 5spd GT with traction and 4.10s is enough to get an LS1 driver from a dig, if he ain't on his game . Ported heads/cams/longtubes on a 2v can be in the 300-320rwhp range too, which is definitely interesting. I wanted a Trans Am or SS before I got my GT, but now my options are either bitch and complain that I couldn't get one, or make the GT faster, and I'm picking the latter.

 

Okay, lets settle this little debate. This info per Autotrader...

1993 5.0L Mustang GT hatchback (last year of the foxbody style)
Curb weight: 2834 lbs

1994 5.0L Mustang GT (first year of the SN95 style)
Curb weight: 3276 lbs

So the difference between the last year fox 5.0 hatchback and the first year 5.0 SN95 is about 450 lbs.

 

Well that info is COMPLETELY different than what you get anywhere else. As per www.carpoint.com, the '93 GT is 3144lbs, and a '94 GT is 3276lbs. That's 132lb difference. That 2834 advertised on there is not an accurate number.

 

I don't know. They get their information from Edmunds, which is a highly known auto source. Take it for what it is I guess.

 

I actually started out that way, but then a semi helped me total my car last month and I just didnt have the funds to make another 12 sec GT, so i got a TA for 3k under what I payed for the stang and am putting that money back into it.

 

I'm thinking that 28xxlb weight was mistakenly taken from a 4cyl model, and put under the GT specifications.

 

If you were talking about notches, it's still a bit ridiculous. "Track cars" are no comparison... People gut them, and the curb weight from two different model years is not a good comparison to two cars that've been gutted.

Plus, I was giving you a best case for an optionless notch. In '87-'88, I'm pretty sure optionless meant without A/C, too. Note the guy above that quotes 1/4 tank of gas and draglites and still weighs 3100 lbs. That's just about right.

Regardless, don't say "fox," and then later say that it clearly means "notchback." It doesn't, and that argument is a cop-out.

Great, you can look up facts and figures on a computer but don't have enough common sense to realize how far off they are. If those facts were from God, he'd still be wrong.

 

hey its an Iowa TA! where are you from in Iowa Specter?