BMW 335i?
05-09-2007, 02:42 PM
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At your altatude I think it will be a close race, possibly advantage to the Bimmer. I grew up in CO and the altatude sucks. Especially in an NA. The Bimmer runs a low boost setup that will not loose too much to the high DAs up there. And they like pretty aggressive gears on the BMWs.
05-09-2007, 08:17 PM
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They are not "easy to mod". Its a new engine and the first stock turbo BMW in a long time.
Virtually no exhaust shop will be fmailiar with them and the various angles, tight spots, and 02 sensor locations.
Likely no ECU products are out yet.
Nobody will have a intercooler and piping kit for awhile.
Who knows what turbos it uses (Thats not a rhetorical question, I'm curious) and thus what upgrades are bolt in affairs. Clearance for two turbos in an I6 engine bay with the kind of efficient intake manis BMW likes will be tough.
BUT, the gains will be great most likely. Its making its numbers on a very mild setup and BMW has gotten bit in the past with under QCing hi-po motors. Thus I suspect that this thing will be very overbuilt.
Its not that its easy to mod, its that its pretty quick stock, in a DA enviroment thats not good for an NA car, and has lots of potential.
Virtually no exhaust shop will be fmailiar with them and the various angles, tight spots, and 02 sensor locations.
Likely no ECU products are out yet.
Nobody will have a intercooler and piping kit for awhile.
Who knows what turbos it uses (Thats not a rhetorical question, I'm curious) and thus what upgrades are bolt in affairs. Clearance for two turbos in an I6 engine bay with the kind of efficient intake manis BMW likes will be tough.
BUT, the gains will be great most likely. Its making its numbers on a very mild setup and BMW has gotten bit in the past with under QCing hi-po motors. Thus I suspect that this thing will be very overbuilt.
Its not that its easy to mod, its that its pretty quick stock, in a DA enviroment thats not good for an NA car, and has lots of potential.
05-09-2007, 08:46 PM
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Vishnu and Active Autowerks both have piggyback ECU's and power packages for the 335i. There is only so much power it will be able to put down without an LSD.
05-10-2007, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
They are not "easy to mod". Its a new engine and the first stock turbo BMW in a long time.
Virtually no exhaust shop will be fmailiar with them and the various angles, tight spots, and 02 sensor locations.
Likely no ECU products are out yet.
Nobody will have a intercooler and piping kit for awhile.
Who knows what turbos it uses (Thats not a rhetorical question, I'm curious) and thus what upgrades are bolt in affairs. Clearance for two turbos in an I6 engine bay with the kind of efficient intake manis BMW likes will be tough.
Virtually no exhaust shop will be fmailiar with them and the various angles, tight spots, and 02 sensor locations.
Likely no ECU products are out yet.
Nobody will have a intercooler and piping kit for awhile.
Who knows what turbos it uses (Thats not a rhetorical question, I'm curious) and thus what upgrades are bolt in affairs. Clearance for two turbos in an I6 engine bay with the kind of efficient intake manis BMW likes will be tough.
I don't see what your argument is, but you haven't done the homework. Which is fine, but I'm a BMW tech so I'm just forwarding the info...
They are a little slower than E46 M3s, but are easier to make more power, with minor $$$ and mods. Stock for stock it's a drivers race. I've seen 335s go 13.6s. I've seen F bodies go 13.0s stock, and 13.9s stock. It's all about the driver...
LMAO off at the "look how much you spent" comment. That's ricer math, no excuses. Lame, lame, lame
Here's a couple pictures of some modded turbos about to hit the streets.
As you can see, the exhaust housing is cast with each exhaust manifold bank. They are small turbos, but this particular shop should have dyno numbers very soon running @ 14 pounds.
05-10-2007, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Trust
Saying something like that just makes you look like a tool, its run what you brung and who cares what it cost. If we bought our cars for bang for buck we didn't get the best one. I could have bought a 5.0 and made it a 10 second car with the price I paid just for my car, and even make a DSM a 10 sec car for pennies.
I was just giving the guy an "out" for people that need such a thing.
If I get beat by a fricken Prius, I'm gonna give the guy props... unless he/she's a total *****.
05-10-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BAD *** TA WS6
There are a handfull of exhaust setups already out, another hand full of tuners with software for the car. I haven't seen anyone with a front mount off the top of my head. There isn't a lot of room for aftermarket turbo options. There are already people modding the factory turbos.
I don't see what your argument is, but you haven't done the homework. Which is fine, but I'm a BMW tech so I'm just forwarding the info...
They are a little slower than E46 M3s, but are easier to make more power, with minor $$$ and mods. Stock for stock it's a drivers race. I've seen 335s go 13.6s. I've seen F bodies go 13.0s stock, and 13.9s stock. It's all about the driver...
As you can see, the exhaust housing is cast with each exhaust manifold bank. They are small turbos, but this particular shop should have dyno numbers very soon running @ 14 pounds.
I don't see what your argument is, but you haven't done the homework. Which is fine, but I'm a BMW tech so I'm just forwarding the info...
They are a little slower than E46 M3s, but are easier to make more power, with minor $$$ and mods. Stock for stock it's a drivers race. I've seen 335s go 13.6s. I've seen F bodies go 13.0s stock, and 13.9s stock. It's all about the driver...
As you can see, the exhaust housing is cast with each exhaust manifold bank. They are small turbos, but this particular shop should have dyno numbers very soon running @ 14 pounds.
Thats pretty sweet that the aftermarket was that quick to the 335. Makes it a bit more of an option for me in a few years
I am really surprised that its that developed already.Edit: Love the open area downstream of the WG. Thats got to be one of the better laid-put internals I have seen. Not to mention the obviously adjustable WGA arm. Should make the stock turbine housings at least viable well above stock power without getting huge backpressure.
06-15-2007, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jfulcher
The #s are Stock w/ catback, Procede 1.45 w/ catback, and the new Proced 2.0 beta w/ catback.
So just a catback and tuning is up to 376 rwhp/406 rwtq.
So just a catback and tuning is up to 376 rwhp/406 rwtq.
06-15-2007, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dailydriver
What do these things weigh, and what's the stock axle ratio??
06-15-2007, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jfulcher
The #s are Stock w/ catback, Procede 1.45 w/ catback, and the new Proced 2.0 beta w/ catback.
So just a catback and tuning is up to 376 rwhp/406 rwtq.
06-15-2007, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by caliswangin916
i really don't see anything great with 376 rwhp even with those 2 minor mods. the fucken thing's got 2 fucken turbos.
06-15-2007, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Jesus man... quit whining and appreciate a nice/fast car
but on the real, that type of hp should should not require 2 turbos. i hope the stock engine can make it past 450 safely. that bmw v6 without turbos is probably comparable to the older 350z engine. sad.
06-15-2007, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by caliswangin916
stfu, hayzeus does not have to be brought up. i will cut your head off and **** down your throat. lol
but on the real, that type of hp should should not require 2 turbos. i hope the stock engine can make it past 450 safely. that bmw v6 without turbos is probably comparable to the older 350z engine. sad.
but on the real, that type of hp should should not require 2 turbos. i hope the stock engine can make it past 450 safely. that bmw v6 without turbos is probably comparable to the older 350z engine. sad.
06-15-2007, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
First off, it's an inline 6. Second, the amount of turbos that a car has doesn't have **** to do with the amount of power a car makes, just throttle response. The 335i is made for INSTANT response... zero lag. It has nearly 300lb/ft of torque at 2,000rpm, and 400lb/ft of torque by 3,000rpm. The whole, "but it has a turbo/blower/nitrous" argument does nothing but make you sound like a ricer
why don't you go defend mustangs over at the bmw forums.
06-15-2007, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
First off, it's an inline 6. Second, the amount of turbos that a car has doesn't have **** to do with the amount of power a car makes, just throttle response. The 335i is made for INSTANT response... zero lag. It has nearly 300lb/ft of torque at 2,000rpm, and 400lb/ft of torque by 3,000rpm. The whole, "but it has a turbo/blower/nitrous" argument does nothing but make you sound like a ricer
