Why....er...HOW?
Why....er...HOW? Well, ill make this as short and to the point as I can.
Tonight, I raced a CAMMED 05 GTO with my SS and WON. ???
My car is basically stock, airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.
The GTO made 382 hp two weeks ago on the dyno...not sure of the cam specs, but his car is an M6 with decent tires and a really good driver behind the wheel.
First race was from 30 mph. I was sitting in first gear, and I assume the GTO was as well. I immediately jumped a half car on him when we started...and kept the length through second gear, pulled a little (about a car) on him in third. We shut down early at 90.
Second race was from 25 mph. Same thing, I immediately pulled a half car and kept it. By 90 he was a car behind.
How the hell did I pull on a CAMMED GTO? I know they are heavier and have IRS, but he was alone and I had a passenger. My car made 330 hp and 343 ftlbs before the longtubes, on a dynojet on a 78 degree day.
Tonight, I raced a CAMMED 05 GTO with my SS and WON. ???
My car is basically stock, airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.
The GTO made 382 hp two weeks ago on the dyno...not sure of the cam specs, but his car is an M6 with decent tires and a really good driver behind the wheel.
First race was from 30 mph. I was sitting in first gear, and I assume the GTO was as well. I immediately jumped a half car on him when we started...and kept the length through second gear, pulled a little (about a car) on him in third. We shut down early at 90.
Second race was from 25 mph. Same thing, I immediately pulled a half car and kept it. By 90 he was a car behind.
How the hell did I pull on a CAMMED GTO? I know they are heavier and have IRS, but he was alone and I had a passenger. My car made 330 hp and 343 ftlbs before the longtubes, on a dynojet on a 78 degree day.
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Nice kill but one thing I learned about LS1 owners is they say they are stock then go on with
*airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.*
Thats really far from stock IMO
*airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.*
Thats really far from stock IMO
Originally Posted by Fort Pierce
Nice kill but one thing I learned about LS1 owners is they say they are stock then go on with
*airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.*
Thats really far from stock IMO
*airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.*
Thats really far from stock IMO
Originally Posted by Fort Pierce
Nice kill but one thing I learned about LS1 owners is they say they are stock then go on with
*airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.*
Thats really far from stock IMO
*airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech. Car does have nitrous, but wasn't used during this race.*
Thats really far from stock IMO
For us "fbody owners" that is basically stock. Now for somone owning an import with a mod list that long, it would be far from stock.
couldnt resist
Judging by his numbers cammed, it was an LS1 goat? That could very well be the reason. They are about 5-6 cars behind us in the quarter mile stock. (well in my experiences anyways)
The LS2 goats are the ones that are of comparable speed from the factory.
The LS2 goats are the ones that are of comparable speed from the factory.
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Its an 05. Just talked to him earlier, it makes 382 rwhp on motor with the cam and boltons...but its a nitrous cam. Car made almost 600 on gas....guess thats why I was able to run him.
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Doesnt make sense at all really. An 380 rwhps is VERY weak for a cammed GTO. They are making well over 400 rwhp with cam and headers. Amyway with 380 rwhp he should have pulled, cant explain why he didnt.
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^ I suspect maybe theres something comprimising the GTO's tune and all.
A stock LS2 through an M6 should be good for about 350 or so to the wheels. The full exhaust and all should get him to about 370 easy. Even a 224 or something should be good for over 380. I guess it really is setup for the gas. It seems odd that it would be focused on that to the point that its not gettign too much from the cam. I wonder what kind of dyno and I wonder what the air is like in SC. The OP numbers sound pretty normal ( a bit on the high side) for that kind of mod list.
Whatever, Nice kill for sure! Methinks you won by having better vehicle prep, and that's a victory well earned IMHO.
A stock LS2 through an M6 should be good for about 350 or so to the wheels. The full exhaust and all should get him to about 370 easy. Even a 224 or something should be good for over 380. I guess it really is setup for the gas. It seems odd that it would be focused on that to the point that its not gettign too much from the cam. I wonder what kind of dyno and I wonder what the air is like in SC. The OP numbers sound pretty normal ( a bit on the high side) for that kind of mod list.
Whatever, Nice kill for sure! Methinks you won by having better vehicle prep, and that's a victory well earned IMHO.
Originally Posted by capn smokey
He said 05, that is an ls2. Good kill even though it doesnt make sense.
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382 rwhp out of a cam only ls2 is weak, we have people with a 224/224 and bolt-ons making 405-410rwhp. i have a 228/228 + bolt-ons making 420rwhp. a bolted-on ls2 gto with tuning should be able to hit 380rwhp. either way, with that power he should've ran away from you, unless he sucks as a driver, or the car doesn't have the mods the guy is telling you he's got, if he head such mods, then the tune is very conservative, it looks like he's spraying a 200 shot to get close to 600rwhp.
Originally Posted by BlueGoat06
382 rwhp out of a cam only ls2 is weak, we have people with a 224/224 and bolt-ons making 405-410rwhp. i have a 228/228 + bolt-ons making 420rwhp. a bolted-on ls2 gto with tuning should be able to hit 380rwhp. either way, with that power he should've ran away from you, unless he sucks as a driver, or the car doesn't have the mods the guy is telling you he's got, if he head such mods, then the tune is very conservative, it looks like he's spraying a 200 shot to get close to 600rwhp.
Originally Posted by TwistedSS
My car is basically stock
Originally Posted by TwistedSS
airbox, bellows, LS7 clutch combo, poly trans and torque arm mounts, JetHot longtubes and TSP y-pipe into a temporary bullet muffler, hardened pushrods, WS6store short shifter on stock Hurst mech.
Lid and Catback for an LS1 is pushing 'basically stock'.
I think the fact that you also have Longtubes, pushrods and suspension mods make you what we like to call 'modded'.
Good runs though.
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I think it could be a combo of things. First he has a bit of weight on you. Second, with that big of a shot he probably has it tuned for the nitrous which is why the all-motor numbers seem low. A friend with a '05 GTO put down 368whp with headers, mid-pipes, exhaust, intake and tune. After the 150 shot went in his all-motor numbers went down to 350whp because of the different tune. With a nitrous cam I imaging that it would be even bigger of a gap.
Originally Posted by NIevo
I think it could be a combo of things. First he has a bit of weight on you. Second, with that big of a shot he probably has it tuned for the nitrous which is why the all-motor numbers seem low. A friend with a '05 GTO put down 368whp with headers, mid-pipes, exhaust, intake and tune. After the 150 shot went in his all-motor numbers went down to 350whp because of the different tune. With a nitrous cam I imaging that it would be even bigger of a gap.
Your friend needs to get a better tuner or something. You really dont need to lose that much power for a nitrous tune.