Silly Eclipse gets owned
So now someone who wants to support/defend his OWN country's economy/trade/manufacturers is an ignorant redneck??? WTF?
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When did this
brainwashing start??
Oh wait, I forgot I'm dealing with gen rice, (yes, the same crew who just cannot believe/comprehend that I bought my car as much for it's AMERICAN nameplate as it's bang-for-the-buck performance, which BTW your imports COULD NOT PROVIDE stock for stock) sorry.
All of you fanbois better start realizing that there IS a correlation between (OUR) **** poor economy/U.S. citizens losing jobs/homes/etc. and trade deficits.
No, it's not the only cause, of course, but it IS one none the less, and if you believe that your job/carrers are immune to this (unless you are working for a foreign/Nippon company), I have a real cheap bridge you might be interested in about 20 miles from my location.
:When did this
brainwashing start??Oh wait, I forgot I'm dealing with gen rice, (yes, the same crew who just cannot believe/comprehend that I bought my car as much for it's AMERICAN nameplate as it's bang-for-the-buck performance, which BTW your imports COULD NOT PROVIDE stock for stock) sorry.
All of you fanbois better start realizing that there IS a correlation between (OUR) **** poor economy/U.S. citizens losing jobs/homes/etc. and trade deficits.
No, it's not the only cause, of course, but it IS one none the less, and if you believe that your job/carrers are immune to this (unless you are working for a foreign/Nippon company), I have a real cheap bridge you might be interested in about 20 miles from my location.
Now on to your point:
Defending your country does not make you an ignorant redneck. Hating on some guy in an import for dumbarsed reasons does. Clear distinction, which nobody but YOU muddied up. You can advocate buying American products without being a redneck. I do it all the time.Example: I simply dont go to Walmart. yeah it made a bunch of jobs in my ommunity. jobs that dont really pay a living wage and eliminated jobs that would have had local businesses provided them. My parts are American, and none of the China-bay crap. I try to shop farmers markets and local business as much as possible. If I do get a new vehicle it'll likely be the RWD 2 seater MOPAR should have been building for the last 10 years (if they ever stop teasing) or the new F-Body. If I were to get an Evo I would be going used. Which (the used car market) BTW creates a ton of jobs here in the states.
Seriously. Dont pontificate about trade deficits. My mother is loosing her job to someone in India. In order to get another position in her company, she is going over there to TRAIN HER OWN REPLACEMENT. You might think you are passionate about this, but I'm betting you have not put your fist through a wall over it like I did a week ago. I'll bet you did not fantasize about putting a pipe through some *******'s head over it.
And yet...I dont have a problem with people buying what they want. This is America. And frankly if you look at the products coming out of Detroit these days they basicly stomp previous offerings in most ways. This whole economy will turn around. The weakening dollar will actualy encourage more production here. If you remember a few years ago, some leaders overseas were bitching and moaning about how a weaker dollar was hurting their exports to us. Bush basicly smiled and ignored them knowing full well that while inflation is not good, that aspect of it is just fine. And this country does not succeed by coercing people into buying X. Its gest on by simply out-competeing other nations. We got lazy and complacent, the effects are being felt, and now we are getting back into shape. That simple. The effect f this on cars is stuff like the new G8. It basicly hed its own with a BMW 5 Series in a recent comparo by a euro-worshipping mag. And I'm not talking just performance in a strait line. Im talking handling, and manners. They said that while its interior was not as good as a twice as expensive 5 series, it was right where it should be in the 30-40 thousand class of cars. When was the last time you heard that kind of description from the major auto-publications?
Screw it. I'm stirring up a hornets nest anyway for no gain. I'll just let it go.
Well, you managed not to use phony/corny quotes this time. So thats progress.
Now on to your point:
Defending your country does not make you an ignorant redneck. Hating on some guy in an import for dumbarsed reasons does. Clear distinction, which nobody but YOU muddied up. You can advocate buying American products without being a redneck. I do it all the time.Example: I simply dont go to Walmart. yeah it made a bunch of jobs in my ommunity. jobs that dont really pay a living wage and eliminated jobs that would have had local businesses provided them. My parts are American, and none of the China-bay crap. I try to shop farmers markets and local business as much as possible. If I do get a new vehicle it'll likely be the RWD 2 seater MOPAR should have been building for the last 10 years (if they ever stop teasing) or the new F-Body. If I were to get an Evo I would be going used. Which (the used car market) BTW creates a ton of jobs here in the states.
Seriously. Dont pontificate about trade deficits. My mother is loosing her job to someone in India. In order to get another position in her company, she is going over there to TRAIN HER OWN REPLACEMENT. You might think you are passionate about this, but I'm betting you have not put your fist through a wall over it like I did a week ago. I'll bet you did not fantasize about putting a pipe through some *******'s head over it.
And yet...I dont have a problem with people buying what they want. This is America. And frankly if you look at the products coming out of Detroit these days they basicly stomp previous offerings in most ways. This whole economy will turn around. The weakening dollar will actualy encourage more production here. If you remember a few years ago, some leaders overseas were bitching and moaning about how a weaker dollar was hurting their exports to us. Bush basicly smiled and ignored them knowing full well that while inflation is not good, that aspect of it is just fine. And this country does not succeed by coercing people into buying X. Its gest on by simply out-competeing other nations. We got lazy and complacent, the effects are being felt, and now we are getting back into shape. That simple. The effect f this on cars is stuff like the new G8. It basicly hed its own with a BMW 5 Series in a recent comparo by a euro-worshipping mag. And I'm not talking just performance in a strait line. Im talking handling, and manners. They said that while its interior was not as good as a twice as expensive 5 series, it was right where it should be in the 30-40 thousand class of cars. When was the last time you heard that kind of description from the major auto-publications?
Screw it. I'm stirring up a hornets nest anyway for no gain. I'll just let it go.
Now on to your point:
Defending your country does not make you an ignorant redneck. Hating on some guy in an import for dumbarsed reasons does. Clear distinction, which nobody but YOU muddied up. You can advocate buying American products without being a redneck. I do it all the time.Example: I simply dont go to Walmart. yeah it made a bunch of jobs in my ommunity. jobs that dont really pay a living wage and eliminated jobs that would have had local businesses provided them. My parts are American, and none of the China-bay crap. I try to shop farmers markets and local business as much as possible. If I do get a new vehicle it'll likely be the RWD 2 seater MOPAR should have been building for the last 10 years (if they ever stop teasing) or the new F-Body. If I were to get an Evo I would be going used. Which (the used car market) BTW creates a ton of jobs here in the states.
Seriously. Dont pontificate about trade deficits. My mother is loosing her job to someone in India. In order to get another position in her company, she is going over there to TRAIN HER OWN REPLACEMENT. You might think you are passionate about this, but I'm betting you have not put your fist through a wall over it like I did a week ago. I'll bet you did not fantasize about putting a pipe through some *******'s head over it.
And yet...I dont have a problem with people buying what they want. This is America. And frankly if you look at the products coming out of Detroit these days they basicly stomp previous offerings in most ways. This whole economy will turn around. The weakening dollar will actualy encourage more production here. If you remember a few years ago, some leaders overseas were bitching and moaning about how a weaker dollar was hurting their exports to us. Bush basicly smiled and ignored them knowing full well that while inflation is not good, that aspect of it is just fine. And this country does not succeed by coercing people into buying X. Its gest on by simply out-competeing other nations. We got lazy and complacent, the effects are being felt, and now we are getting back into shape. That simple. The effect f this on cars is stuff like the new G8. It basicly hed its own with a BMW 5 Series in a recent comparo by a euro-worshipping mag. And I'm not talking just performance in a strait line. Im talking handling, and manners. They said that while its interior was not as good as a twice as expensive 5 series, it was right where it should be in the 30-40 thousand class of cars. When was the last time you heard that kind of description from the major auto-publications?
Screw it. I'm stirring up a hornets nest anyway for no gain. I'll just let it go.
First off, we all thank you for being the policeman of the kill section, and preventing me from making "phony/corny quotes" (am I allowed to use quotation marks when I am quoting you verbatim, or is that still verboten according to our high and mighty L.E.O ???)
Next, damn if I don't agree with almost all of your other points above.
I also have seen, firsthand, the destruction this economy has wrought.
I have probaly been even angrier than you about it, hence the attitude towards trade deficits and foreign products. Every little bit of buying our stuff vs. theirs (when there is even still a chioce) helps!!
But what is your answer when Detroit/U.S. manufacturers actually DO make a better product (as is the case now in some instances), and the sheeple American public STILL refuses to buy them over even higher priced imports?
My import brainwashing theory does not seem like such a far fetched, paranoid conspiracy theory then, does it??
But that still brings us to WHY, exactly, you defended the riceboy flyby????
Especially when you at least seem to be level-headed, informed, intelligent and fair most of the time.
Even more suprising since you want to gain credibility for serious/fast import people.
Just playing the devil's advocate, or "stirring the hornet's nest" (again, a verbatim) as you say, maybe??
Didn't post it originally, but to emphasize this guy was a ricer asshat, and not a simple car enthusiast, I ended up in front of him again further down the road, and he whipped into the median to pass a car (nearly took the guys front end off) to get next to me to run again, but at that point I had arrived at my turnoff.
Funny how the topic has changed from a humorous ricer incident to economy issues and outsourcing.
Funny how the topic has changed from a humorous ricer incident to economy issues and outsourcing.
Didn't post it originally, but to emphasize this guy was a ricer asshat, and not a simple car enthusiast, I ended up in front of him again further down the road, and he whipped into the median to pass a car (nearly took the guys front end off) to get next to me to run again, but at that point I had arrived at my turnoff.
Funny how the topic has changed from a humorous ricer incident to economy issues and outsourcing.
Funny how the topic has changed from a humorous ricer incident to economy issues and outsourcing.

But unless I bring that into it, all of the generation rice kids start calling me ****, racist, etc, as their kneejerk defense.
Thanks for adding this last post as it shoots down ANY defense/explanation the fanbois may have had for his ricetard flyby.
its post like this that make the kill section fun...i get to read a kill story and then immediatly jump down a few posts and WITHOUT FAIL there's always some ricer-loving/mustang-loving/anti-fbody guy (whether you really are or not is irrelavent because that's how you come off and presentation in nine tenths) stirring the pot. the thread then steeply drops off into domestic vs. import, gm vs. ford, fbody vs. goat, "if this car has mods X,Y,Z the race would have been different" etc type argument.
then occasionally you get this kind of a thread which starts out like every other but turns into something very unique...in this case a discussion about US geo-political economics.
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its like dinner and a show around here...good kill to the OP BTW and, as always, ricers blow.
then occasionally you get this kind of a thread which starts out like every other but turns into something very unique...in this case a discussion about US geo-political economics.
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its like dinner and a show around here...good kill to the OP BTW and, as always, ricers blow.
Yea, this thread has been more entertaining for me, than the "race" was.
. Oh well can't please everyone, at least a few people took it for what it was worth, and didn't get thier panties all in a wad.
. Oh well can't please everyone, at least a few people took it for what it was worth, and didn't get thier panties all in a wad. Didn't post it originally, but to emphasize this guy was a ricer asshat, and not a simple car enthusiast, I ended up in front of him again further down the road, and he whipped into the median to pass a car (nearly took the guys front end off) to get next to me to run again, but at that point I had arrived at my turnoff.
Funny how the topic has changed from a humorous ricer incident to economy issues and outsourcing.
Funny how the topic has changed from a humorous ricer incident to economy issues and outsourcing.
Yeah, that would have been pretty relevant. Because frankly to me it did not sound like much of a flyby. Had this been on there I would not have bothered posting what I did. To me it sounded like a lot of hating for no good reason. As with many things in life (I'm a pessimist), I'm glad to be wrong.
First off, we all thank you for being the policeman of the kill section, and preventing me from making "phony/corny quotes" (am I allowed to use quotation marks when I am quoting you verbatim, or is that still verboten according to our high and mighty L.E.O ???) 
Next, damn if I don't agree with almost all of your other points above.
I also have seen, firsthand, the destruction this economy has wrought.
I have probaly been even angrier than you about it, hence the attitude towards trade deficits and foreign products. Every little bit of buying our stuff vs. theirs (when there is even still a chioce) helps!!
But what is your answer when Detroit/U.S. manufacturers actually DO make a better product (as is the case now in some instances), and the sheeple American public STILL refuses to buy them over even higher priced imports?
My import brainwashing theory does not seem like such a far fetched, paranoid conspiracy theory then, does it??
A company is more than its physical products. GM gets this very well now. Look at the marketing changes they have made. Same for Ford. You dont see a whole lot of messages hamering on the whole old-school-that-your-used too type message. 'An American Revolution'. They are strait emphasizing that this aint you're dads Barretta. They are distancing themselfs from products that while solid enough, had crap fit and finish and bland styling and horrible depreciation for the most part compared to the competition. Public perception is a bitch. I have a marketing degree. I should know. And it hits imports as well. Look at how hard the Koreans are fighting their negative image. Look at how hard the Japanese had to do the same, and not just in cars. People used to think of Japanese stuff the way we think of Chinese stuff. And it was for a reason. The big three can and will do the same, albeit delayed by huge healthcare costs (thank you recreational litigators everywhere) and tough labor issues. Ford figured this out with the Focus. Small, modern, amazing fit and finish for its price, and chassis that did actually like to be played with a bit. Not typical at the time for a Domestic cheap car. No sports car, but fun. It's one of their bigger hits. Untill they frigged it up anyway. The Malibu looks like an anogolus example. The Caliber is just......not. If you look at it, the big three are taking a page from their overseas divisions nd it is working. I suspect a lot more quickly than most people realize. Just imagine if GM had done some decent marketing on the FBody and put in SFCs and Blisteins stock. It would not have left.
In short: Its not brainwashing. Its negative carry over from some really crap products in the late 70 and 80s. Not fair, but not a comspiracy either.
But that still brings us to WHY, exactly, you defended the riceboy flyby????See post above.
Especially when you at least seem to be level-headed, informed, intelligent and fair most of the time.
I'm completely insane and anyone who deals with me for a decent time knows it.
Even more suprising since you want to gain credibility for serious/fast import people.
Just playing the devil's advocate, or "stirring the hornet's nest" (again, a verbatim) as you say, maybe?
Next, damn if I don't agree with almost all of your other points above.
I also have seen, firsthand, the destruction this economy has wrought.
I have probaly been even angrier than you about it, hence the attitude towards trade deficits and foreign products. Every little bit of buying our stuff vs. theirs (when there is even still a chioce) helps!!
But what is your answer when Detroit/U.S. manufacturers actually DO make a better product (as is the case now in some instances), and the sheeple American public STILL refuses to buy them over even higher priced imports?
My import brainwashing theory does not seem like such a far fetched, paranoid conspiracy theory then, does it??
A company is more than its physical products. GM gets this very well now. Look at the marketing changes they have made. Same for Ford. You dont see a whole lot of messages hamering on the whole old-school-that-your-used too type message. 'An American Revolution'. They are strait emphasizing that this aint you're dads Barretta. They are distancing themselfs from products that while solid enough, had crap fit and finish and bland styling and horrible depreciation for the most part compared to the competition. Public perception is a bitch. I have a marketing degree. I should know. And it hits imports as well. Look at how hard the Koreans are fighting their negative image. Look at how hard the Japanese had to do the same, and not just in cars. People used to think of Japanese stuff the way we think of Chinese stuff. And it was for a reason. The big three can and will do the same, albeit delayed by huge healthcare costs (thank you recreational litigators everywhere) and tough labor issues. Ford figured this out with the Focus. Small, modern, amazing fit and finish for its price, and chassis that did actually like to be played with a bit. Not typical at the time for a Domestic cheap car. No sports car, but fun. It's one of their bigger hits. Untill they frigged it up anyway. The Malibu looks like an anogolus example. The Caliber is just......not. If you look at it, the big three are taking a page from their overseas divisions nd it is working. I suspect a lot more quickly than most people realize. Just imagine if GM had done some decent marketing on the FBody and put in SFCs and Blisteins stock. It would not have left.
In short: Its not brainwashing. Its negative carry over from some really crap products in the late 70 and 80s. Not fair, but not a comspiracy either.
But that still brings us to WHY, exactly, you defended the riceboy flyby????See post above.
Especially when you at least seem to be level-headed, informed, intelligent and fair most of the time.
Even more suprising since you want to gain credibility for serious/fast import people.
Just playing the devil's advocate, or "stirring the hornet's nest" (again, a verbatim) as you say, maybe?

