Keep in mind if the Mustang or Fbody had the same wheelbase, height, width, etc. as the Challenger they would weigh close to the same.

The GT500 is inexcusable, IMO. The Vette a great example of keeping it light.

 

The new challanger is basically a Charger coupe. It is just as heavy and the wheel base is only a few inches shorter (it is built on the same chassis). The motor is the same rated 425 6.1 in all the other SRT-8 models, so I am not surprised that people with these cars are getting stomped by bolt on LS1s. But, put a challenger on a diet, with bolt ons and a 150 shot, and they'll be pretty formidable.

 

The best stock ET ever posted by a Charger SRT8 was 12.98 @ 111 I belive, which is , so far, much better than what the Challengers have shown. Granted, most Chargers hit about 13.3-13.6s stock with a decent driver and the 12.98 was a timeslip I saw on a dodge forum, so if you take out that one, I'd say the srt8 chargers and challengers run about head to head at this point, stock vs stock....which is a little sad.

 

Yep.

 

When are you guys gonna have actual tuning software availible?I know theres the predator but lets face it,handhelds are handhelds.Seems like tuning is the only thing thats holding the motor back.Dodge has been a douche for years when it comes to messing with their CPU's.

 

Well duh. It's the same powertrain and the same weight. The best stock time was 12.56 @ 111mph at Atco with some GTO owners present.
http://www.300cforums.com/forums/srt...one-stock.html

A 1.9 60ft on a cold day would net 12.9s and 108-110mph traps stock with proper prep. Lots of hit those trap speeds running 13.0s - 13.1s.

 

If you would do a search you'll find the Diablo interfaces with CMR tuning software netting around 30rwhp / 30rwtq or more along with other handheld adjustments for the transmission, cooling fans, fuel, etc.

I'd say the tuning software is available.

 

Well whats the problem with them?

The real question is ...When will see some fast ones,my guess is never

 

Maybe I'm just confused by what you said, but in case I'm not, I have to ask.....do you know anything about tuning? handhelds are handhelds?..tuning is what's holding them back? YOu do realize that handhelds are used for custom tuning right? Predator is nothing more than a brand...much like SCT, JetChips, Hypertech, etc.
Problem?....Dude, where have you been? It seems you are passing judgment on these cars without knowing much about them. WIth simple A/F adjustments (not even touching timing) they are putting down ~ 380RWHP. I'm guessing you didn't realize they have measely 2.70 gears either. These cars JUST came out. Of course your not going to see great times right off the bat.

 

I noticed it too, I was hmmmmm lol

 

Aren't they all auto's as well and the Manual comes out next year?

You guys didn't see great times out of stock 2.73 geared auto f-bodies all the time, sure there might have been a freak here or there.

 

Im talking about full blown tuning software,maybe i dont know much about what has came out in the past 6 months because i dont follow their stuff but handheld canned tunes does not equal open CPU.There is only so much you can do with those motors from what i know because the PCM is so touchy.

And why are you complaining to me that they only have 2.70 gears,they can easily be swapped out right?And im talking about all SRT8's in general when i ask when were going to see a fast one,im sure there is but i havent seen any.

 

I really do not want to get this off topic, but anyone who bought a 08 was not thinking clearly or just can not wait, or maybe even mis-informed.

The 08s are not that hot in terms of performance by todays standard and they guzzle the gas.

I love the design, but that is purely a judgement.

The 09s will only benefit from a manual and better gearing.

By 10 the 6.1 should have the same treatment as the 09 5.7, which is a new design to increase power (up to 390 in the 5.7) and better MPGs.

Those with the 08s in 10 will be kicking their self in the butt.

Someone mentioned the 6.4. Not likely. It was suppose to be in the Super Stock car and they backed off on that, HUGE disappointment. All about making a buck anymore, which is to bad for everyone!

What is was suppose to be
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do....photopanel..1

What it ended up being...
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/07/14...-race-package/

 

What did you miss in my post? CMR tuning software. There isn't any more power to get out of the stock motor without mechanical changes.

The 6.1s are at roughly the same power level as you with a CAI, catback and tune.

SRT-8s have 3:06 gears and are not easily swapped at all. We just settle for what it is. A bulletproof tranny whose 3rd gear is good for around 120mph.

No fast ones? Whats fast? They are not drag cars but a bolt-on SRT-8s can trap as high as 113-114mph. Not many full size sedans run 12s with bolt-ons for under $40k. In fact, there is a new '07 for sale near me at the dealership for around $32k after rebates.

Take a look at this:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/timesl...ter&perpage=25

 

Yep...all autos till the next year release.
Sorry, I'm used to phrase such as 'box tune' and 'custome/dyno tune'. A handheld is nothing more than a tool that does come with a preprogrammed box tune. However, it is still a tool and is used in dyno tuning.

Easily swapped out?...Yes....Cheap?..Not a Freakin' chance in hell. Last I was told, it was a good $2k to get the pumpkin and swap it out. (have to change the whole enchilata).

 

yeah dealer mark ups are ridiculous... could get a nice vette for that price... sad the new camaro will be victim to the Dealer-Rip-Yo-*** syndrome..

but damn those challengers are pretty

 

people suck! soon the new camaros will be out and a new batch of morons will be around. By then My car should 9's n/a and 10's n/a will seem so slow.

 

My numbers are unlocked through a PT4000 stall,and stock MAF

 

I know what that means, and what it means at the strip, but you tell me the significance in terms of peak power to the ground. Like I stated, 6.1s are right there with 20" wheels and a 120" wheelbase. So 20% loss instead of 17.5%?

 

I don't know what kind of mark up you all are seeing where you are but here you can get one for 42k-50K. they offerd me one yesterday for a tad over 46k @ Pomoco Dodge in Newport News,VA. The winning bid for the one @ Williamsburg, VA was 50k to one of my runnin' buds.

ha ha i just noticed my post #s. this is not my 1st post ha ha ha