No offense taken from these people. But it did turn into a mustang thread awfull quick. Just enjoying the responses. Seems some get defensive awfull quick though. Like I said earlier power for power he should have won. But he didn't and I know that is because of the tires. My buddy's TA we would run neck for neck until my tire change. The one that had the better launch would win. Now I beat him by atleast 1 or 2 everytime. That is if I remeber to turn off the TCS when I get back in it. LOL! The MT streets still spin with 20 psi on highway at a 3 or so dump.

 

The point is you word yourself like machs can't do better than what you are saying (low 14s). That is just plain BS. You are seeing shitty drivers. If you actually open up your mind and cared about what 'the competition' can do, you'd know that. Instead you choose to be close minded and ignorant.
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Autos are mid upper 13s stock. (high DA tracks are upper 13s, low 14s). That's better than a new edge M5, IMO. 2V do have some TQ though.

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We 'back up' our cars because the brand loyal bowtie freaks can't admit when they have some nice competition on their hands. It ruins their ego to see that a mustang can actually run with their LS1. Let alone a mustang with only 281CI. But if you look at the numbers, it's not that hard to believe. Too many people want to be ignorant and pig headed and not actually try to see that YES, a mach is indeed on par with an LS fbod. Simple math can show some of the potential ability.

LS - Dyno ~300/320, T56, 3.42 gears 3550 pounds.
Mach - Dyno ~280/300, 3650, 3.55 and 3450 pounds.

The gear ratios and weight are enough to make up the power difference. That is why the ETs are similar, but the trap is higher in an LS because of the power.
I never had an issue with your post. It was honest and non-biased. ANytime you mention Mach on this site there's going ot be issues because of the reasons listed above. There is a fair amount of ignorance regarding mustangs on this site and I try to educate. It just gets a tad hard when people are tossing stupid and ignorant comments around. That's not to say some stang owners aren't ignorant to the LS...they are and I correct them about your guys' cars as well.

Can't beat your competition (or respect it) if you dont' know much about it. It's called, being caught with your pants down.

 

It would have been something like that but he totally botched the launch and ran a 14.0. The majority of his passes were in the high 12's with a 12.7 as his best out of the 15-20 that I saw. The car trapped 113-114 all night so it had the potential to run a lot better. He just couldn't 60 ft. to save his life, even on the DR's. He ran a 12.8 to my buddies 12.2 in his '95 Talon as well. I got the impression after watching him scratch his head in the lanes while checking out the cars he lost to, that the dealer told him he was unstoppable.

 

Is that ponygt quoting numbers from a book? The same ponygt that told me once not to go by the book numbers? The guy beat a mach1 give the guy his props and get over it. My brother has an 03 so I have no trouble finding one to race. They are stout cars without a doubt but this time they lost. If we read all of the ford boys post they would tie or win everytime.

 

yea i understand you on that.... but i think your "LS numbers" are a lil off 300/320? an average of from what ive seen on here stock 310-315hp. ive seen a lot of LS1 like mine that have been in the 320-325hp stock.

 

You have an LS6 manifold car... does make a bit of difference. You have to take the 98-00 cars into account as well, and the automatics. I'd say 300-310rwhp is a good "roundabout" number to use when talking about stock power.

 

well yea 01-02 is diff then the 98-00...

 

I don't recall that......however, show me one thing I posted that was purely 'book'/magazine? I post/posted facts. And the same goes for GM blind guys on that last line of yours. I know my **** when it comes to stangs, ESPECIALLY mach's.
I was just trying to take a good avg considering years. M6 vs. M5. Both cars dyno more, but I wa trying to be 'fair'.

 

Mach's are sloowww and will be crushed on the street by every LS1

 

There's Camaros out there that weigh the same as Machs too. Take equal weights, an LS1s 30hp advantage and the results are pretty obvious (to most people anyway.) And no, the gearing isn't gonna save you.

The Mach crowd loves the fact that all their cars are optioned pretty much exactly the same. There are no heavy convertibles or 3.27 geared Machs. They almost never mention that auto Mach's are even out there. While they continuously brag about smoking a fully loaded convertible, auto T/A with 3.23 gears and 4 people in it- then tell all their friends and family how "dusting an LS1 is no problem with this mighty 281." Puh-leeze.

Be honest FoMo's, an equally equipped F-bod will pull a Mach everytime.

 

From a roll, sure... but like it or not from a stop into the triple digits they're DAMN close together.

Edit: And nobody talks about automatic Machs because the 4spd auto Mustang transmissions suck *****

 

First off Good runs JC99ls1ss
I LOVE THE LAST LINE ........WELL PUT

 

Fixed.

 

AH...good ole SLo Dave...I was wondering when you were going to 'pop' and talk your **** like you always do. I swear you and local heretic are the ford bashing brothers. Unfortunately, there is ALOT of ignorance in that bashing. Nice to see you still haven't learned much about machs.

Of course there are fbods that weight the same. Nice to see your reading ability hasn't improved either. If you notice I stated I used a 'good avg'. There are Fbods that weigh in at Terminator weight. ~3650, but I didn't use that weight did I?..NO!..so where is the biased in that?....NO WHERE.

I would LOVE to hear about your reasoning of 30 HP advantage. AGAIN, you can't read for crap. I know darn well Fbods can dyno higher....so can machs. I took an acknoledged avg on both cars to keep it as fair as possible....but, you still can't see that. I understand, brand loyal biast people love to point the finger at others and ignore the fact that three other fingers are pointing right back at them.

Um.....hey genius.......how do you suppose 3.38 and 2.0 pared with 3.55s and a nice power curve doesn't overcome the 20 (or 30 by your standards) hp/tq difference?.......especially when comparing a 3.42 (best gears available) to the T56 gearing?

NOTHING in my post was biased. NOTHING. It was very even and fair across the board. You just STILL, to this day, can't accept the fact that a little ole 281 can keep up with your 346.

Shall I even bother going into the fact that the mach motor makes more power per litre, and CI?...didnt' think so.

Now go sit in the corner and eat a cookie until you can come out and actually have an intelligent non-biased conversation. Don't forget your bib.

BTW - I still have you on ignore...funny how that ended up. I just had to see what your comment was on the topic at hand.

 

THank you.

 

Nice to see you finally payed your electric bill so you can post again. You were sorely missed.

Speaking of reading ability, the point of my post was that Machs are equipped the same(i.e same weight), yet you take an "average" weight of F-bods. Guess reading comprehension owns you.

LOL!!! Not even when it was stock.

Oooh, direct from the Honda playbook!

Then why can't you stop reading my posts?

 

HAHA...wow, that's the best you could come up with?
Well smarty, I love how you caught that I took an avg of the Fbod's weight and got all butt hurt, but you didn't catch that I did take the best gearing for the fbod. You're right though...I guess I should have included an almost stripped fbod for my reality post.

not even when it was stock?.....yep, you don't get it. still in denial.

Honda playbook?...because it is fact, and you are too biased to see that? That is just like you to come up with every excuse possible that deters from the mach being better in some aspect. Typical brand blindness.

stop reading?..simple, you are easy to prove wrong. I always have. You just can't admit when you are wrong. Stubborn-ness at it's finest. I leave you on ignore because eventually (like always) I will get tired of your lame as comments that prove your ignorance and ill-knowledge about machs.

 

Can you make a post without using the word "ignorance" in it? Seriously, go back and check it out.

Anyway, about my "Chevy bias"........I've owned 9 Fords. You probably missed that so I'll say again----> 9 of them. 7 were Mustangs. There's one in my garage right now. As usual you think you know what you're talking about but have no clue whatsoever.

Since you imply that you're the best reader on the board, it suprises me that you've missed the posts I've made about the Mach being a nice car- which I still stand by. I even PM'd you about that before you supposedly "put me on ignore." Remember the debate where you threw up the white flag and ran away with your tail between your legs? Hmmm. Selective memory?

BTW, last I heard, your Mach was broken (again) and you were gonna sell it. Your Mach sounds like a real winner.

 

OMFG...see this is where I start to just ignore all your saying because it's simply laughable. I do say ignorance alot....I know that......because you (and others are). EVERYONE is ignorant at some level. It's a matter of do you choose to stay ignorant (pig headed) or choose to gain knowledge and deter ignorance. You...well, we know.

I know you have owned 7 stangs...I remember that.......ANd just like before I'll tell you again...just because you owned a particular model doesn't mean you know about ALL mustangs. You never owned a mach.....As I recall the only comparison you had was a bullitt.....wow...that's close in measure. UM NOPE.

I'm not implying I'm the 'best reader'....I'm STATING that you can't read or simply choose not to pay attention...you're choice as to which. I NEVER tossed up the white flag.......I simply (like other times) got tired of debating with someone that 'chooses' to be ignorant on the topic at hand instead of opening their ears and want to try and learn something unbiased, so I stopped replying. Much like I'm soon to do. You remind me of the kid that plugs his ears and sings nah nah nah nah, I can't hear you, all because you are right and everyone else is wrong. I dont' put down fbods or any camaro/TA/FB for that matter. But, I'm willing to bet you never noticed that. You can say machs are nice all you want, but you continue to down grade them every chance you get. Here's an analogy: "How can you be so stupid to not know the square root of 9? It's ok though, your spelling tests are high."


As for my car......it is gone......and I did have problems....twice. Where's the shame in taking care of four kids on my own instead of putting in a forged short block?......there isn't. And as for the actual problems with my car..........ask ANYONE from central CA (and there are a few members on here) about Billy and Modular Speedworx and the BULLSHIT he pulled and just how many people he fucked over. They'll gladly explain my situation from that stand point.

 

yes.. I know...he hurts my brain