kyoytey1693

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I just orderd a set of Spohn 32/22 bars from a sale one othe sponsors was running. I got both for 296.00 and thought it was going to make a great upgrade for my WS6. After doing some more reading on here, after my purchase, I realized the WS6's have 32mm fronts

Needless to say, I feel like a moron. I "assumed" since they were sold in a pair like that, that they would make a good upgrade. So what should I do? Install the rear and all of the poly bushings bushings? Or should I just keep the rear and send the front back?

devinfbody

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I'm going to assume the spohn is still going to be a big improvement over the stock sway bar.

LS1W66

Have them Swap the 32 for a 35mm, Or send them both back and get the Strano Bars. JMO

kyoytey1693

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Yeah I realize I should have went with Sam after the fact. I definately didn't do enough homework.The money was already burning a hole in pocket and I was trying to spend it before it burned up my new pair of jeans.

So will the Spohn front bar offer any improvement over stock?

za355tx

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The spohn sway bars are chromoly so I would say they still will be an improvment over the stock 1LE 32mm. But what I would have done is buy the 25mm spohn rear sway bar and the 32mm up front. It costs about the same. Call and see if you can get the bigger rear sway bar instead of the 22mm. That's just me but it's up to you.

Zach

SOMbitch

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The 25mm bar is a drag bar and will not help handling but will induce oversteer. To improve handling match the 22mm rear bar with something in the 35mm range up front.

Foxxtron

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Yep, I wish I'd been here to warn you about that. A 32/22 or 32/21 combo is not a good roll stiffness combo, except for some track only applications. It usually will increase possibilities for snap oversteer due to too much roll stiffness in the rear whilst too little in front. Even though your WS6 came with a 32mm hollow front and a solid 19mm rear, it's actually much more desirable than what you've ordered.

No need to feel like a moron. What you should do is simply send the whole package back unopened, and maybe hope for either a refund or some sort of store credit. If you need replacement poly endlinks, then most auto stores have them.

When they become available, you should opt for Sam's 35/22 combo.

z28bryan

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If your in the daily driver/street mess around category of drivers, then I would bet you'd probably feel a bit of a difference and like it. Mostly because that you'd be going to poly bushings and slightly more stiff rear bar. Not that I recommend the combo, as I'd also go with at least a 35/22 similar combo like the strano bars. Basically though I think you'd notice a difference, but you could do better.

kyoytey1693

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Thanks for all of the input guys. I'm definately in the DD category. I had some oversteer before. I went ahead and installed the rear bar anyways. I can tell the rear stays planted a lot better but I still have the oversteer for sure. I am going to try to send the front one back and get the 35 but I can't find one on their website. If not I will have a 32for sale If I can't return it I will be calling Sam for sure and getting one of his. I think he still has the solid 35's and I'm not to worry about getting the hollow bar and saving a few pounds. I may go ahead and get the bilsteins when I call him too since I dont want the car going any lower with the konis.

Sam Strano

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The difference in stiffness between a 32 hollow and 32 solid is very little. There is some, just as there is a touch of difference between my 35 hollow and solids. But it's a very small percentage overall.

WS6's, SS, 1LE's all have 32mm HOLLOWS stock. It's a waste of time and money to go to a 32 solid IMHO. What's more as Foxxtron stated, I don't like a 32/21, 32/22 combination as they are too rear biased. Pretty much biased like, but softer than, a 35/25 setup (and we know I don't use that for handling purposes).

And the CM thing. Makes ZERO difference on how much roll stiffness you get from a bar.

kyoytey1693

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Well this definately isn't a cheap mistake. I shipped the bar back yesterday and it was $83.00 plus a 20% restocking fee from Spohn. They tried to talk me into keeping stating their 4140 chrome moly bar was superior to my stocker. I'm sure it is but I'm sold on Sam's 35. I'll be ordering it soon.

And just in case anyone is curious the 32mm Spohn bar weighs 24 lbs.

Sam Strano

iTrader: (41)

WOW.... That's a screwing on shipping. FWIW, the good news is even my solid 35 isn't a lot heavier @ about 27 than the 24 theirs weighs, but it's a lot stiffer.

rel3rd

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Just out of curiosity, what size/type bar comes stock on the rear of these same cars?

Sam Strano

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19mm solid, same as every other V-8 car but for the 1993 only 1LE's which used a 21 solid because they did not use the stiffer "1LE" rear springs that the later cars got.

rel3rd

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Thanks Sam. I was just curious.

By the way, I just found out my buddy, who uses Strano springs and Bilstein shocks runs 10.80's@127mph and cuts 1.58 sixty foots...I guess when I finally get mine swapped in/on, I won't be lacking in "launchability" too much either, lol.

kyoytey1693

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Well I finally got my solid front bar from Sam yesterday. It took longer than I expected but it is a much nicer looking piece than the Spohn I had before you could see where the metal had pitted before they put on the powder coat. Sams bar is shiny and smooth. And it's definately HEAVIER. The fedex label said it weighed 32 lbs but it feels like about 50 lol.

Anyways I should have it and the Bilsteins on in a couple weeks and I will give an update on the performance.

Sam Strano

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Sorry for the delay.. we were waiting on bushings.

To be fair, the pitted look is from the heat treating a CM bar must go through and wasn't a problem. The upside here is you like the look of mine better (good) and it's a lot stiffer than other bar (better).

7camaro7

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so ss/ws6/firehawk 93-02 fbodies were 1le? I thought it had to have a code on the door stating it if it was. I did get 32mm on for my front sway and 19mm for the rear, but I thought on the ls cars they were supposed to have 35mm/21mm sways(says slp)Sam straighten me out please.

btw, I installed the ATE slotted rotors, HAWKS pads, your 22mm hollow rear sway, and my hotchkis 35mm hollow front and the car drives great!!! Feels a lot different. A lot more steering response on the highway is evident. When I used to look over in my side mirrors and steer at the same time I noticed I need to be careful not to over do it now hahaha. Brakes are awesome too! I've already broken them in and everything!

Everybody else, if you want your car to handle, listen to Sam... That simple!

Sam Strano

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No, but they got the 1994-1999 GM 1LE bar set. All SS's, WS6's, Firehawk's have a 32mm front bar at least some had factory hollow 35 fronts and solid 21 rears, but those are pretty rare as that was the bar set on a Bilstein Ultra Suspension or the SLP built '01-02 1LE code--which is different than the GM 1LE.

I'm glad you like your setup 7camaro7. Amazing what a few well chosen and matched part can do isn't it? I see no reason to have a 30% stiffer rear bar on the car than a 22 with the type front you have, can you?

7camaro7

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nope! as far as handling goes, I reach the limits of my tires at higher speeds with a LOT less lean. Just need to quit having hydraulic clutch issues so I can save up and get some springs, shocks, and a panhard.