suspension....HELP PLEASE
suspension....HELP PLEASE hey guys im stuck on suspension an dont know which way to go.....(spring an shocks) or (coilovers) an (who's)......i want the best suspension for max traction an weight transfer at the track...but yet also a good handling suspension for driving around an cornering...im not worried bout how much...any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED....THANKS GUYS
sounds like tunability is key, and thatd be the coilovers. but that also depends on your budget, because bmr or strano springs are the best it seems, paired with adjustable koni's and your good to go, and this would only cost bout 1k new... search and research on here, and in the drag race section and see...
Drag Race Suspension is not Handling suspension.
Pick which one is more important. A handling suspension can still do well at the strip but it won't do as well as a drag setup obviously.
Where is your car going to spend most of its time?
how much power are you making and what times are you hoping to run?
Pick which one is more important. A handling suspension can still do well at the strip but it won't do as well as a drag setup obviously.
Where is your car going to spend most of its time?
how much power are you making and what times are you hoping to run?
sounds like tunability is key, and thatd be the coilovers. but that also depends on your budget, because bmr or strano springs are the best it seems, paired with adjustable koni's and your good to go, and this would only cost bout 1k new... search and research on here, and in the drag race section and see...
Drag Race Suspension is not Handling suspension.
Pick which one is more important. A handling suspension can still do well at the strip but it won't do as well as a drag setup obviously.
Where is your car going to spend most of its time?
how much power are you making and what times are you hoping to run?
Pick which one is more important. A handling suspension can still do well at the strip but it won't do as well as a drag setup obviously.
Where is your car going to spend most of its time?
how much power are you making and what times are you hoping to run?
Last edited by 2000ls1tranz; Dec 2, 2010 at 02:44 AM.
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Some strange or QA1 SA's with 300 lb. front springs is a good place to start for weight transfer. Stock rear springs with some DA Afco's in the rear will go a ways too.
Anything you can do to lighten up the front end will help alot as well. You will get much better help with this in the Drag Tech section. Plenty of info on getting a car to hook in there.
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EDIT: Although these aren't with Strano springs (stock springs), the rear rates of the Strano's are 150 lbs*in, compared to stock 114 lbs*in, so I still think it's very possible to be able to launch well with the Strano's on the car.
The 1.50 on Koni's is true---and better than it was on "drag shocks" a combination of AFCO and QA1's which netted a best of 1.58.
As for my springs, all kinds of cars in the 1.6's and 1.7's on them. Are they drag springs? No, but part of my issue when designing them was to be able to get power down (since I do a thing called ProSolo which includes a drag start on NON prepped surfaces on very stiff tires) and I have to get power down well out of 2nd gear corners all the time. This is why my rear springs are not stiffer than they are.
Ok, having said all that, I can put together a compromise kit for you which is sounds like you need. But I can't do it by PM or e-mail, we would need to talk it over and discuss options and results of various parts.
As for my springs, all kinds of cars in the 1.6's and 1.7's on them. Are they drag springs? No, but part of my issue when designing them was to be able to get power down (since I do a thing called ProSolo which includes a drag start on NON prepped surfaces on very stiff tires) and I have to get power down well out of 2nd gear corners all the time. This is why my rear springs are not stiffer than they are.
Ok, having said all that, I can put together a compromise kit for you which is sounds like you need. But I can't do it by PM or e-mail, we would need to talk it over and discuss options and results of various parts.
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EDIT: Although these aren't with Strano springs (stock springs), the rear rates of the Strano's are 150 lbs*in, compared to stock 114 lbs*in, so I still think it's very possible to be able to launch well with the Strano's on the car.
EDIT: Although these aren't with Strano springs (stock springs), the rear rates of the Strano's are 150 lbs*in, compared to stock 114 lbs*in, so I still think it's very possible to be able to launch well with the Strano's on the car.
I swear man, some people just dig and dig with internet detective work just trying to one up somebody any small amount they can.
Besides, Strange shocks are the best bang for the buck shock you can get for a drag car and still do nicely on the street....PERIOD. Just because someone got a 1.5 once with Konis on the back doesn't mean they'll do it again. Even if they could, why get something to limit you to just a 1.5?
Although I'm sure Sam could valve up a set of Konis and include some shocks to work, he really does know his ****.
Ahhhh, that car has Koni's all around, not just on the rear. As for the springs, of the lowering springs that are out there, mine aren't the lowest and not the stiffest. The shorter they are, and the stiffer they are the more it hurts weight transfer.
Koni does do drag specific shocks you find them on REAL drag cars like ProStocker all the time..... and Koni flat out tells you that they are not to be used on the street, and that personal injury could result. Why? Because what you want from a true drag shock can be dangerous on the street because they are meant to do on thing, and one thing only--and that's not control the car well in a real-world condition.
Koni does do drag specific shocks you find them on REAL drag cars like ProStocker all the time..... and Koni flat out tells you that they are not to be used on the street, and that personal injury could result. Why? Because what you want from a true drag shock can be dangerous on the street because they are meant to do on thing, and one thing only--and that's not control the car well in a real-world condition.
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Ok guy, I was referring to Konis and Stranos on all fours. It takes a little more to get a car to hook than just rear springs. Sure, you could probably cut a 1.5 with Konis on the back ONLY and AFCO's on the front like that guy. But that's not Koni/Strano setup like the OP was asking about is it?
I swear man, some people just dig and dig with internet detective work just trying to one up somebody any small amount they can.
Besides, Strange shocks are the best bang for the buck shock you can get for a drag car and still do nicely on the street....PERIOD. Just because someone got a 1.5 once with Konis on the back doesn't mean they'll do it again. Even if they could, why get something to limit you to just a 1.5?
Although I'm sure Sam could valve up a set of Konis and include some shocks to work, he really does know his ****.
I swear man, some people just dig and dig with internet detective work just trying to one up somebody any small amount they can.
Besides, Strange shocks are the best bang for the buck shock you can get for a drag car and still do nicely on the street....PERIOD. Just because someone got a 1.5 once with Konis on the back doesn't mean they'll do it again. Even if they could, why get something to limit you to just a 1.5?
Although I'm sure Sam could valve up a set of Konis and include some shocks to work, he really does know his ****.
The guy has Koni's on all 4, I did say that he was running stock springs, and no **** it takes more than rear springs to get a car to hook....
I saw this thread a while back, and I knew that Strano has mentioned it a few times....the fact is you can have a car that can both handle and launch (albeit, only a 1.5 60 in this case
). You mad guy?
The guy has Koni's on all 4, I did say that he was running stock springs, and no **** it takes more than rear springs to get a car to hook....
I saw this thread a while back, and I knew that Strano has mentioned it a few times....the fact is you can have a car that can both handle and launch (albeit, only a 1.5 60 in this case).
The guy has Koni's on all 4, I did say that he was running stock springs, and no **** it takes more than rear springs to get a car to hook....
I saw this thread a while back, and I knew that Strano has mentioned it a few times....the fact is you can have a car that can both handle and launch (albeit, only a 1.5 60 in this case
).Here's an idea? How about you go into the Drag Tech section, and tell all of us in there to ditch our Strange, QA1's, and Afco's for some Koni's just because "you can drag with them."
I'm not saying Koni is a bad shock, I understand you like them, and that Sam gets the results he needs with them. They're just nowhere near the best for drag racing so don't go trying to sell them to everyone. Regardless if Koni makes an all out drag race shock, do they make this in a bolt-in replacement for my car? I don't think so.
Maybe one day I'll have a "real" drag car and buy some Konis. Please.
OP wants more than he can have in his car.
Last edited by joblo1978; Dec 2, 2010 at 01:49 PM.
Any car with 1000 HP, slicks, and a completely bone stock suspension should be able to eek out a 1.5. Are you kidding? That is a high 8 to low 9 second car with that 150 trap speed he has in his sig. Those Konis you're speaking so highly of are probably the problem. Definitely alot more left in that car, at least .5 second.
Here's an idea? How about you go into the Drag Tech section, and tell all of us in there to ditch our Strange, QA1's, and Afco's for some Koni's just because "you can drag with them."
I'm not saying Koni is a bad shock, I understand you like them, and that Sam gets the results he needs with them. They're just nowhere near the best for drag racing so don't go trying to sell them to everyone. Regardless if Koni makes an all out drag race shock, do they make this in a bolt-in replacement for my car? I don't think so.
Maybe one day I'll have a "real" drag car and buy some Konis. Please
Here's an idea? How about you go into the Drag Tech section, and tell all of us in there to ditch our Strange, QA1's, and Afco's for some Koni's just because "you can drag with them."
I'm not saying Koni is a bad shock, I understand you like them, and that Sam gets the results he needs with them. They're just nowhere near the best for drag racing so don't go trying to sell them to everyone. Regardless if Koni makes an all out drag race shock, do they make this in a bolt-in replacement for my car? I don't think so.
Maybe one day I'll have a "real" drag car and buy some Konis. Please
I'm not going to act like I know more than you about drag racing, however, before you start jumping down people's throats why don't you look at the posts.
To the OP, if you're trying to completely maximize your weight transfer, please don't think I was trying to say that the Strano/Koni setup is by far, hands down, the BEST choice of all. However, if you're trying to combine a good handling car with good street manners that will also go to the strip, I think that the Koni's are a pretty damn good option. Some of the other drag shocks that have been mentioned have been tried by some of the auto-x suspension experts on here, and I've never seen one of them recommended for a handling car.
The main point is that a drag optimized suspension is not great on the street and horrible for cornering, but a handling oriented suspension can be good on the street and decent at the drag strip.
It depends on your priorities obviously.
It depends on your priorities obviously.
Have had customer with high HP cars with BONE STOCK suspension run high 9's with a high to mid 1.40 60's so is stock suspension the way to go??.....
I deal with this question everyday on the phone as to why they need any suspension when there buddy has none and hooks great.
They fail to say it doesn't do it every time and track conditions have to be stellar to repeat the feat
.
This is when a well thought out and and matched suspension components come into play when the track is at its worst......
I deal with this question everyday on the phone as to why they need any suspension when there buddy has none and hooks great.
They fail to say it doesn't do it every time and track conditions have to be stellar to repeat the feat
.
This is when a well thought out and and matched suspension components come into play when the track is at its worst......
Last edited by BMR Tech; Dec 2, 2010 at 04:08 PM.
The 1.50 on Koni's is true---and better than it was on "drag shocks" a combination of AFCO and QA1's which netted a best of 1.58.
As for my springs, all kinds of cars in the 1.6's and 1.7's on them. Are they drag springs? No, but part of my issue when designing them was to be able to get power down (since I do a thing called ProSolo which includes a drag start on NON prepped surfaces on very stiff tires) and I have to get power down well out of 2nd gear corners all the time. This is why my rear springs are not stiffer than they are.
Ok, having said all that, I can put together a compromise kit for you which is sounds like you need. But I can't do it by PM or e-mail, we would need to talk it over and discuss options and results of various parts.
As for my springs, all kinds of cars in the 1.6's and 1.7's on them. Are they drag springs? No, but part of my issue when designing them was to be able to get power down (since I do a thing called ProSolo which includes a drag start on NON prepped surfaces on very stiff tires) and I have to get power down well out of 2nd gear corners all the time. This is why my rear springs are not stiffer than they are.
Ok, having said all that, I can put together a compromise kit for you which is sounds like you need. But I can't do it by PM or e-mail, we would need to talk it over and discuss options and results of various parts.
i want to THANK EVERYONE for replying an trying to help....im SORRY if what i am wanting is a almost a impossible task (getting the best of both worlds)..i really dont know 2 much bout suspension an just want to learn..i want to buy ONCE an be happy with my choice! i still really dont know which way to go...fml decisions decisions decisions....
you guys say coilover aint good for handling how bad are they...worst than stock handling on the streets??????
you guys say coilover aint good for handling how bad are they...worst than stock handling on the streets??????