Fays 2 watts link / vendors question
07-26-2011, 12:01 PM
#23
Liberty.... it's always something isn't it? lees02ws6 hit the nail on the head with his comment. For every guy that wants to spend $2000, there are 10 that don't, and since people often don't actually spend much time reading, I build my handling packages with the basics. Good shocks, springs, and if you want sway bars.
Where does it end? Should I have 200 different packages covering every combination? Then what's the point of a package if it's just as confusing to folks as just buying the parts a la carte?
Where does it end? Should I have 200 different packages covering every combination? Then what's the point of a package if it's just as confusing to folks as just buying the parts a la carte?
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07-26-2011, 05:45 PM
#25
Yes Sam you should have at least 200 different packages.
99FormulaM6r,
I ordered the Watt's and bars at the same time. I asked him the same question. He said an adjustable bar wasn't needed. I can't remember exactly why so I'm not going to speculate. I do know that he changed his rear bars just a little bit so you don't have to use a spacer when using the Watt's.
99FormulaM6r,
I ordered the Watt's and bars at the same time. I asked him the same question. He said an adjustable bar wasn't needed. I can't remember exactly why so I'm not going to speculate. I do know that he changed his rear bars just a little bit so you don't have to use a spacer when using the Watt's.
07-26-2011, 07:40 PM
#26
Yes Sam you should have at least 200 different packages.
99FormulaM6r,
I ordered the Watt's and bars at the same time. I asked him the same question. He said an adjustable bar wasn't needed. I can't remember exactly why so I'm not going to speculate. I do know that he changed his rear bars just a little bit so you don't have to use a spacer when using the Watt's.
99FormulaM6r,
I ordered the Watt's and bars at the same time. I asked him the same question. He said an adjustable bar wasn't needed. I can't remember exactly why so I'm not going to speculate. I do know that he changed his rear bars just a little bit so you don't have to use a spacer when using the Watt's.
Thanks for letting me know though, and the space is good to know!
07-26-2011, 11:51 PM
#28
No big deal as I have been going the ala carte route, but I would have expected a package with the Watts would be in a top of the line kit, esp. since you have trumpeted its benefits more than any other vendor... 
Maybe one with Koni SAs, 35/22 Sways, and Watts Link -- that's a package I may have considered if the savings were there, and will probably end up with. Lowering springs just don't fit my equation (as others have said with speed bumps, bad roads and inclines, etc.), even though I would like them.
Another thing I would suggest and was discussed in another thread <https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes/1425144-weights-watts-link-vs-stock-panhard-bar.html> is if a lower-weight Watts Link will be offered -- aka chromoly or similar? (I asked Jim Fays via email, but no reply...)
Maybe one with Koni SAs, 35/22 Sways, and Watts Link -- that's a package I may have considered if the savings were there, and will probably end up with. Lowering springs just don't fit my equation (as others have said with speed bumps, bad roads and inclines, etc.), even though I would like them.
Another thing I would suggest and was discussed in another thread <https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes/1425144-weights-watts-link-vs-stock-panhard-bar.html> is if a lower-weight Watts Link will be offered -- aka chromoly or similar? (I asked Jim Fays via email, but no reply...)
Liberty.... it's always something isn't it? lees02ws6 hit the nail on the head with his comment. For every guy that wants to spend $2000, there are 10 that don't, and since people often don't actually spend much time reading, I build my handling packages with the basics. Good shocks, springs, and if you want sway bars.
Where does it end? Should I have 200 different packages covering every combination? Then what's the point of a package if it's just as confusing to folks as just buying the parts a la carte?
Where does it end? Should I have 200 different packages covering every combination? Then what's the point of a package if it's just as confusing to folks as just buying the parts a la carte?
07-27-2011, 12:21 AM
#29
Dude. You ain't gonna buy anything.
I'm sure Sam not having a suspension package with the Watt's is what's keeping your from buying it.
I know you want EVERYTHING cheap.
Go find the best deal on everything then come back on here and ask how to set it up.
I'm sure Sam not having a suspension package with the Watt's is what's keeping your from buying it.
I know you want EVERYTHING cheap.
Go find the best deal on everything then come back on here and ask how to set it up.
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07-27-2011, 07:18 AM
#30
Meh, I'd expect a lot of people are more on the "one part per paycheck" route, where buying the things individually is a lot easier, compared to dropping $2000-3000 at one time on a bunch of parts. Plus, if someone is going all-out on suspension and looks around on here or talks to Sam about it, a Watts link will come up.
Price for a chrome-moly Watts...ouch, no thanks. Easier for me to lose 30lbs than it is to pay that premium.
Price for a chrome-moly Watts...ouch, no thanks. Easier for me to lose 30lbs than it is to pay that premium.
07-27-2011, 07:44 AM
#31
No big deal as I have been going the ala carte route, but I would have expected a package with the Watts would be in a top of the line kit, esp. since you have trumpeted its benefits more than any other vendor... 
Maybe one with Koni SAs, 35/22 Sways, and Watts Link -- that's a package I may have considered if the savings were there, and will probably end up with. Lowering springs just don't fit my equation (as others have said with speed bumps, bad roads and inclines, etc.), even though I would like them.
Another thing I would suggest and was discussed in another thread <https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes/1425144-weights-watts-link-vs-stock-panhard-bar.html> is if a lower-weight Watts Link will be offered -- aka chromoly or similar? (I asked Jim Fays via email, but no reply...)
Maybe one with Koni SAs, 35/22 Sways, and Watts Link -- that's a package I may have considered if the savings were there, and will probably end up with. Lowering springs just don't fit my equation (as others have said with speed bumps, bad roads and inclines, etc.), even though I would like them.
Another thing I would suggest and was discussed in another thread <https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes/1425144-weights-watts-link-vs-stock-panhard-bar.html> is if a lower-weight Watts Link will be offered -- aka chromoly or similar? (I asked Jim Fays via email, but no reply...)
MWC already makes a chromoly watts. If you really just had to have it you could go that route. You're engaged in analysis paralysis. How much do you really gain from going in cricles?
07-27-2011, 03:44 PM
#32
CM is useless. It saves so little weight, it's not funny. The frame of a Watts link is about 10 pounds. Considering CM saves about 5 on 50 pounds worth of SFC's, you'd save what? 1 pound? Maybe 2????? Maybe I should offer it for $100 more and just take the money and laugh. But that's not my thing.
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2023 UMI King of the Mountain Champion
07-27-2011, 05:30 PM
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True about the frame being not heavy. The heavy working parts on the Fays watts is bolted to the axle. Unsprung weight. Its not realy going to affect the ride. Sometimes for structure a comprimise must be met. Plus most of the weight on our cars is over the nose.
07-27-2011, 06:43 PM
#34
CM is useless. It saves so little weight, it's not funny. The frame of a Watts link is about 10 pounds. Considering CM saves about 5 on 50 pounds worth of SFC's, you'd save what? 1 pound? Maybe 2????? Maybe I should offer it for $100 more and just take the money and laugh. But that's not my thing.
07-28-2011, 05:55 PM
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Midwest makes a lot of things. They can fab anything you want and feel its better for you to call to discuss your needs. But that setup requires fabrication to that paticular rear. Its not a bolt on piece. well not from that rear to maybe a 12 bolt. Not everything needs to be CM. Yes its light and strong. But mild steel is plenty strong for everyday use. You would be suprised on the shear and tensile strenght of most metals. As in mild steel.
07-28-2011, 11:19 PM
#39
Haha, well that pretty much kills one of Sam's arguments against the Kooks true duals with a Watts...
Note I'm not specifying the vendor (so in this case above I mean MWC's version) -- sure seems like a good thing to have multiple vendor choices for this somewhat unique F-Body item. Hint hint UMI, Global West, Spohn, BMR, Founders, etc.
Note I'm not specifying the vendor (so in this case above I mean MWC's version) -- sure seems like a good thing to have multiple vendor choices for this somewhat unique F-Body item. Hint hint UMI, Global West, Spohn, BMR, Founders, etc.
Last edited by libertyforall1776; 07-29-2011 at 10:57 AM. Reason: clarified