Strut Tower Brace Bar?
10-07-2011, 01:51 PM
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People who do this mod and cant feel a difference must drive their car like a grandmother. I noticed the difference in my front end immediately when I put mine on, likewise in several other fbodies that Ive experienced the "before/after". Got mine from UMI for $60 shipped during one of their sales. Definately no need to spend $200 on one, but definately a worth while mod IMO-just get a cheaper one.
10-07-2011, 02:20 PM
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Launching!
Well.... technically Janet Guthrie is more than old enough to be a grandmother so I suppose your stipulation is plausible.
Been there, done that with the shock tower brace. Really a waste of money on these cars IMO. No benefit or difference that I could discern.
And I probably drive my car harder on far larger / stickier tires than all but a handful of others on this forum too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAtysqarM9c
10-07-2011, 05:21 PM
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10-08-2011, 07:51 AM
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I am putting an SLP STB that I got along with my whole SLP suspension set from ws6store. So no matter what I will need an alignment and thats when I am throwing mine on.
10-08-2011, 08:52 AM
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i have pretty much every suspension mod you can do...sfc, panhard bar, shocks, springs,etc. and when i put my hotchkis stb on i could notice a difference. it tightened up the front end and did get rid of some small rattles like people said. in conjunction with the other mods i think it was worth it...especially for the cheap price..and it looks cool...lol.
10-09-2011, 10:56 PM
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Youre just like my ex wife *******.. you never support me on ANYTHING!!! I HATE YOU, I HOPE YOU CATCH HERPES!!!!
Well, I drove the **** out of it this morning... I have a ttop and I can honestly say I dont have as many rattles. The rattles/vibrations are more pronounced now that the weather has cooled so I definitely noticed a difference in the interior noise. I would like to say it acted better on the on/off ramps but my experience may be because I have !swaybar. Maybe that is why it felt a bit different. I also have 150k shocks/springs so Im sure if I stretched a rubberband across my strut towers it would make some kind of improvement. Overall, id say its a 80% cosmetic and 20% functional upgrade. I like the noise reduction...
Well, I drove the **** out of it this morning... I have a ttop and I can honestly say I dont have as many rattles. The rattles/vibrations are more pronounced now that the weather has cooled so I definitely noticed a difference in the interior noise. I would like to say it acted better on the on/off ramps but my experience may be because I have !swaybar. Maybe that is why it felt a bit different. I also have 150k shocks/springs so Im sure if I stretched a rubberband across my strut towers it would make some kind of improvement. Overall, id say its a 80% cosmetic and 20% functional upgrade. I like the noise reduction...
I already got to deal with her for 1 week out of the month, not your e-feelings also. 
There is no performance/etc gain with a STB. Some cars suspension design can gain for it.. The way our cars are designed, there is no gain from it.
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10-10-2011, 09:45 AM
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haha... you are so insensitive......
10-10-2011, 02:32 PM
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My old SS had no suspension work and my newer one has SFC's and a STB. I don't care what anyone says, the car is twice as tight as the old one. And what is this nonsense about corvettes not having more power thank an SS? Our cars make 325 stock (being nice) while a stock c5 vette makes 350 and weights less.
10-10-2011, 02:34 PM
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My old SS had no suspension work and my newer one has SFC's and a STB. I don't care what anyone says, the car is twice as tight as the old one. And what is this nonsense about corvettes not having more power thank an SS? Our cars make 325 stock (being nice) while a stock c5 vette makes 350 and weights less.
10-10-2011, 02:48 PM
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My old SS had no suspension work and my newer one has SFC's and a STB. I don't care what anyone says, the car is twice as tight as the old one. And what is this nonsense about corvettes not having more power thank an SS? Our cars make 325 stock (being nice) while a stock c5 vette makes 350 and weights less.
If you are too lazy to search that a stb does nothing for these cars, I'm not helping.. You gotta dig a little. People way smarter than you, and me, when it comes to suspension and these cars have said they don't help and stated the reasons.
The suspension setups on these cars do not allow a stb to show gains. I dont care what your horrible first hand experience and lack of common sense tell you. Your ab comparison was lacking, a lot.
Nobody argued that src don't help, they are an awesome mod and show huge improvement.
You ready to be slapped now?
Don't think I have to go any further into detail on that.
10-10-2011, 03:55 PM
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If it does anything, I don't think it does much. It's making a connection between the shock mounting points in the engine bay. It doesn't effect your suspension. If there is any flex in there, I guess that could slightly effect alignment/camber... "maybe".. only way to tell would be to get some sort of data but no one has the money or time, or means to run a comparison test.
Not to mention 99% of people who say they are driving their car at the limit are probably not.
10-10-2011, 05:03 PM
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What color are your shocks and springs?
And what is this nonsense about corvettes not having more power thank an SS? Our cars make 325 stock (being nice) while a stock c5 vette makes 350 and weights less.
10-10-2011, 11:06 PM
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Holy **** bitter party of 3 your table is ready. Race a stock fbody against a stock vette and it will lose. I have seen it happen countless times. They make similar power but a vette is lighter and more aerodynamic. My car with a lid and flows dynoed at 313 so that factory rating is a little off. It may look even on paper but I'm talking personal experience here watching them race and racing them over and over. And honestly I couldnt care less what some "expert" says about a STB making no difference, If I feel one then good for me, it came on the car when I bought it so nothing lost there. I didn't claim to be an expert on suspension hence why I have a thread a couple down asking for suspension advice. I do however know that my current car feels tighter with SFC's and STB then my old one w/o either. And no I don't have the SLP Bilsteins. Now get that scrunch out of your panties.
10-10-2011, 11:26 PM
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Holy **** bitter party of 3 your table is ready. Race a stock fbody against a stock vette and it will lose. I have seen it happen countless times. They make similar power but a vette is lighter and more aerodynamic. My car with a lid and flows dynoed at 313 so that factory rating is a little off. It may look even on paper but I'm talking personal experience here watching them race and racing them over and over. And honestly I couldnt care less what some "expert" says about a STB making no difference, If I feel one then good for me, it came on the car when I bought it so nothing lost there. I didn't claim to be an expert on suspension hence why I have a thread a couple down asking for suspension advice. I do however know that my current car feels tighter with SFC's and STB then my old one w/o either. And no I don't have the SLP Bilsteins. Now get that scrunch out of your panties.
Vettes also have irs and less side wall, resulting in wheel hop. They are harder to launch than fbodys and all around are not a better design for drag racing. This isn't anything new.
They don't make similar power, they make the same power. Just because your car put that down doesn't mean I cant go find ten other fbodys that put down 305+rwhp bone stock and 325+ with a lid and muffler. Stop using just your own car for comparison.
On average, a base c5 will lose to an fbody in a race. I showed you an A B comparison where an fbody put down more power than a c5...
Saying, "I couldnt care less about what an EXPERT says" makes you look pretty dumb. You are trying to compare two COMPLETELY different cars for start. Then on top comparing a car without sfc to one with it and playing it off as if the stb is king ****. The sfc made all the difference in the world, the stb did absolutely nothing, period. Did I mention that fbody suspension is designed in such a way that it physically can not benefit from a stb? How the **** can you argue that?
Argue with me all you want.. You will be continued to be ripped apart post by post. You are wrong.
10-10-2011, 11:53 PM
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My car with a lid and flows dynoed at 313 so that factory rating is a little off.
It may look even on paper but I'm talking personal experience here watching them race and racing them over and over.
And honestly I couldnt care less what some "expert" says about a STB making no difference, If I feel one then good for me, it came on the car when I bought it so nothing lost there. I didn't claim to be an expert on suspension hence why I have a thread a couple down asking for suspension advice. I do however know that my current car feels tighter with SFC's and STB then my old one w/o either. And no I don't have the SLP Bilsteins. Now get that scrunch out of your panties.
And you still didn't answer my question, what color are your shocks and springs?
10-11-2011, 12:03 AM
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What about the countless number I had lose and beaten personally stock for stock?
Vettes also have irs and less side wall, resulting in wheel hop. They are harder to launch than fbodys and all around are not a better design for drag racing. This isn't anything new.
They don't make similar power, they make the same power. Just because your car put that down doesn't mean I cant go find ten other fbodys that put down 305+rwhp bone stock and 325+ with a lid and muffler. Stop using just your own car for comparison.
On average, a base c5 will lose to an fbody in a race. I showed you an A B comparison where an fbody put down more power than a c5...
Saying, "I couldnt care less about what an EXPERT says" makes you look pretty dumb. You are trying to compare two COMPLETELY different cars for start. Then on top comparing a car without sfc to one with it and playing it off as if the stb is king ****. The sfc made all the difference in the world, the stb did absolutely nothing, period. Did I mention that fbody suspension is designed in such a way that it physically can not benefit from a stb? How the **** can you argue that?
Argue with me all you want.. You will be continued to be ripped apart post by post. You are wrong.
Vettes also have irs and less side wall, resulting in wheel hop. They are harder to launch than fbodys and all around are not a better design for drag racing. This isn't anything new.
They don't make similar power, they make the same power. Just because your car put that down doesn't mean I cant go find ten other fbodys that put down 305+rwhp bone stock and 325+ with a lid and muffler. Stop using just your own car for comparison.
On average, a base c5 will lose to an fbody in a race. I showed you an A B comparison where an fbody put down more power than a c5...
Saying, "I couldnt care less about what an EXPERT says" makes you look pretty dumb. You are trying to compare two COMPLETELY different cars for start. Then on top comparing a car without sfc to one with it and playing it off as if the stb is king ****. The sfc made all the difference in the world, the stb did absolutely nothing, period. Did I mention that fbody suspension is designed in such a way that it physically can not benefit from a stb? How the **** can you argue that?
Argue with me all you want.. You will be continued to be ripped apart post by post. You are wrong.
Obviously you hate corvettes and have studied every article ever written to prove that Fbodys are better. Perhaps you should find another hobbie. And as far as ripping me apart.....your hysterical man, do you honestly think I or anyone other than you gives a rats *** about your internet rants?
To the OP: PM Lemons for all the info you could possibly ever need about STB's. He has studied them endlessly for years and is very knowledgeable about them (see above). If you want one, just get it, it's 60 bucks and if you don't like it throw it up in the classifieds. If you don't have $60 to waste than you probably shouldn't be modding cars anyways.
10-11-2011, 12:09 AM
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As already said here (and countless times everywhere on the forum) they both make 350hp at the flywheel, thats a fact.
Not at all. 313RWHP = 359hp at the flywheel using a 15% drivetrain loss since you have an M6 (all cars are rated at the flywheel from the factory if you don't know). And your "flows" (flomaster im assuming?) is actually robbing you of some power as well, people have lost a few hp over the stock muffler with those...
The Corvette should be faster, its lighter, but doesn't make any more power...
Thats an extremely weak argument. So many variables left out.
And you still didn't answer my question, what color are your shocks and springs?
Not at all. 313RWHP = 359hp at the flywheel using a 15% drivetrain loss since you have an M6 (all cars are rated at the flywheel from the factory if you don't know). And your "flows" (flomaster im assuming?) is actually robbing you of some power as well, people have lost a few hp over the stock muffler with those...
The Corvette should be faster, its lighter, but doesn't make any more power...
Thats an extremely weak argument. So many variables left out.
And you still didn't answer my question, what color are your shocks and springs?
Perhaps I was unclear when I said they make more power, I should have said they are faster. I am aware there is a difference there.
As far as color of shocks I couldn't tell you, I asked the original owner when I bought it if it had bilsteins and he said no. Ive only had the car a couple months and plan on switching them soon.
And thank you for having a civil conversation rather than beating on your chest like a cyber gorilla.