Do I really need to relocate the torque off the tail shaft??
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The long and short of it is this. Decoupling a TA doesn't stop axle hop, lots of solid axle vehicles with no TA at all brake-hop. If you want to spend a lot of money on a complicated setup, that's your business. I drove cars with two different decoupled arms, and other with another type of arm (total of 3 different "non traditional" style arms. Every title I won, had a standard UMI TA on it.
If you want it off the trans, then run a relocation bracket. I would not recommend a tunnel mount style arm, but a full length arm with the bracket/new trans crossmember with a TA mount on it.
And fwiw, I carry the entire UMI line. I'd be happy to help you out with a discussion and explanation of why I'd do what I'd do.
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I agree with you, heck I was RR my car with an Alston torque arm for a while.
The wheel hop got un-managable in specific conditions with it though.
I run a regular off tail shaft as well now.
Thought about the de-coupled or the GW but I'm good for now.
When I fell the need for torture I may go those routes.
But they are an option, nothing more.
The wheel hop got un-managable in specific conditions with it though.
I run a regular off tail shaft as well now.
Thought about the de-coupled or the GW but I'm good for now.
When I fell the need for torture I may go those routes.
But they are an option, nothing more.
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i have a a4 and it is the best investment i have ever made! i would never have a f-body with out one relocated off the tail section. i broke mine from a roll 60-120 then bomb i thought i gernaded my trans but nope just snaped tail section right off.. as far as ride and noise.. it dose make a lil bit more noise from the gear but the ride i think is 100% better stiffend my ride up a lil bit and made my handling so much better and acutaly rode over bumbs better IMO first thing to do on the f-body for sure!!!!
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Remember that there are two methods of relocating. Tunnel mount, or TA relocation bracket. Each as pro's and con's vs. the other. I prefer the TA relocation bracket for a number of reasons including but not limited to noise and brake hop issues. Also that style doesn't need a set of 3 point SFC's to distribute the load from the TA to keep form ripping up the floorpan (seen it, know it, firmly feel that a tunnel mount should only be run with 3 point connectors). There are other reasons too, but I don't want to get into a big book or reasons and reasons why right here and now.
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Remember that there are two methods of relocating. Tunnel mount, or TA relocation bracket. Each as pro's and con's vs. the other. I prefer the TA relocation bracket for a number of reasons including but not limited to noise and brake hop issues. Also that style doesn't need a set of 3 point SFC's to distribute the load from the TA to keep form ripping up the floorpan (seen it, know it, firmly feel that a tunnel mount should only be run with 3 point connectors). There are other reasons too, but I don't want to get into a big book or reasons and reasons why right here and now. ![Happy](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif)
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Really? All the 6 speed guys I know love full length torque arms bc of their quietness. They all comment how rough a tunnel mount is, which is not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about a stock length with a relo cross-member.
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FWIW, after reading for a couple of a weeks, I've been scared out of buying a tunnel crossbrace mounted TA. Maybe it would be bearable in a DD with an auto and 3 point SFCs like Sam said, but I already have box frame SFCs and don't want to risk a noisy installation. I'm going to get a full length TA, relocation bracket, and separate DSL, even though it costs more.
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Unfortunately all the relocation crossmembers are pretty much designed the same way so they all make about the same amount of noise.
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There is a big difference between a tunnel mount and relocating a full length on a relocation bracket... The former transmits a lot more vibration and noise since it's a much thinner part of the body (and not meant for torque loads). The latter is actually a transmission crossmember which bolts to a lot beefier part of the car, and is intended for loads from the transmission already.
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the tunnel mounted one that i have will be going, and never coming back! i am looking for something quiet. i am not sure if i will be able to tolerate the vibration from the relocation bracket or not. my car isn't really raced. i will likely go to the track 1 time in 5 years. however, it does put down 500 hp to the tires. i don't run any tire that is too sticky. i leave on the nitto drag radials all the time. but, the car is usually driven less than 500 miles a year. i am wanting a peaceful cruiser but i don't want to blow the tail shaft if i decide to get on it for a bit.
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There is a big difference between a tunnel mount and relocating a full length on a relocation bracket... The former transmits a lot more vibration and noise since it's a much thinner part of the body (and not meant for torque loads). The latter is actually a transmission crossmember which bolts to a lot beefier part of the car, and is intended for loads from the transmission already.
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Not trying to thread jack but since a lot of the sponsors are replying I want to ask a question. I bought a used umi relocation mount from a buddy for my a4. I got the mount and the bolts that go in the TA and the poly bushing for the TA but am I missing a clamshell that goes around the poly TA bushing or do I used the stock one? Im not really for sure how all this goes together because I havent really looked yet. Also would replacing the rubber tranny mount be a good idea to replace when I do the install? If so is there a poly mount I should use?