LCA and PHB install?
LCA and PHB install? I am 100% a newbie to anything suspension related and had some questions about this install. I want to buy the founders panhard relocation kit for my true dual setup, but also want a new panhard bar and LCAs. My car has about 90k on it so seems like a great time to freshen everything. I am going to buy some 17x11 wheels with 315 tires and may lower the car with Strano springs and some bilstein shocks in the future so it seems an adjustable bar would be best.
I found these videos on a mustang, is our install pretty similar? Load the suspension by putting the rear axle on jack stands and unbolt old parts, grease new parts and tighten down?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=BBkvvJCrFRo
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=WCzkjUT85-A
I found these videos on a mustang, is our install pretty similar? Load the suspension by putting the rear axle on jack stands and unbolt old parts, grease new parts and tighten down?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=BBkvvJCrFRo
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=WCzkjUT85-A
Panhard bar: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...-Bushings.html
Relocation kit: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...elocation-kit/
LCAs: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...trol-Arms.html
Would it be better to just get the non adjustable panhard bar? Like I said, car will see big tires but not 100% on lowering. Will see maybe 1-2 drag races a year and some very amateur autoX.
Relocation kit: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...elocation-kit/
LCAs: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...trol-Arms.html
Would it be better to just get the non adjustable panhard bar? Like I said, car will see big tires but not 100% on lowering. Will see maybe 1-2 drag races a year and some very amateur autoX.
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I am 100% a newbie to anything suspension related and had some questions about this install. I want to buy the founders panhard relocation kit for my true dual setup, but also want a new panhard bar and LCAs. My car has about 90k on it so seems like a great time to freshen everything. I am going to buy some 17x11 wheels with 315 tires and may lower the car with Strano springs and some bilstein shocks in the future so it seems an adjustable bar would be best.
I found these videos on a mustang, is our install pretty similar? Load the suspension by putting the rear axle on jack stands and unbolt old parts, grease new parts and tighten down?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=BBkvvJCrFRo
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=WCzkjUT85-A
I found these videos on a mustang, is our install pretty similar? Load the suspension by putting the rear axle on jack stands and unbolt old parts, grease new parts and tighten down?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=BBkvvJCrFRo
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=WCzkjUT85-A
Panhard bar: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...-Bushings.html
Relocation kit: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...elocation-kit/
LCAs: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...trol-Arms.html
Would it be better to just get the non adjustable panhard bar? Like I said, car will see big tires but not 100% on lowering. Will see maybe 1-2 drag races a year and some very amateur autoX.
Relocation kit: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...elocation-kit/
LCAs: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...trol-Arms.html
Would it be better to just get the non adjustable panhard bar? Like I said, car will see big tires but not 100% on lowering. Will see maybe 1-2 drag races a year and some very amateur autoX.
Even without lowering your better off with an adjustable PHB because of the wider wheels/tires, you will likely have to make adjustments so they don't rub in turns.
Also poly LCA's are going to hurt handling, you may want to look into roto-joint LCAs or stock with 1LE bushings (the stock arms themselves are perfectly fine and plenty strong).
And honestly better shocks are going to make your car way way more enjoyable to drive than any of these parts...
You may not even have to lift the car any, you might be able to fit under there enough to do it while its on the ground (I did).
FYI relocating the PHB down is going to alter your handling.
Even without lowering your better off with an adjustable PHB because of the wider wheels/tires, you will likely have to make adjustments so they don't rub in turns.
Also poly LCA's are going to hurt handling, you may want to look into roto-joint LCAs or stock with 1LE bushings (the stock arms themselves are perfectly fine and plenty strong).
And honestly better shocks are going to make your car way way more enjoyable to drive than any of these parts...
FYI relocating the PHB down is going to alter your handling.
Even without lowering your better off with an adjustable PHB because of the wider wheels/tires, you will likely have to make adjustments so they don't rub in turns.
Also poly LCA's are going to hurt handling, you may want to look into roto-joint LCAs or stock with 1LE bushings (the stock arms themselves are perfectly fine and plenty strong).
And honestly better shocks are going to make your car way way more enjoyable to drive than any of these parts...
Should I not do the LCAs? Seemed like for 60 bucks I should just upgrade them at least for the bushings. Is a single adjustable bar best or the on car adjustable?
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Ofcourse you wont see it advertised, but talk to the guys who have run them and also run roto-joint or rod ended suspension, or the guys (sam strano for example) who understand how the suspension needs to move to work correctly.
The aftermarket companies may say "well its not that bad" or the most common with every product: "we have hundreds of customers that like it bla bla bla" - meaningless.
Why would anyone spend money on something that binds the suspension, even if its just a little when they can buy something that works much better for around the same cost???
This may not be a bad thing, I no longer run a PHB (I have a watts link) so I never read into it further, but relocating your PHB will change your roll center for better or worse - you may want to look into that.
The difference aftermarket rear LCA's make is minuscule at best (I have some) unless you are a serious drag racer. The stock ones are more than adequate, like I said replace the stock bushings with 1LE solid rubber bushings (stranoparts.com has these) or get rotojoint LCAs from UMIperformance.com.
Id go with an on car adjustable just to make things easy.
The aftermarket companies may say "well its not that bad" or the most common with every product: "we have hundreds of customers that like it bla bla bla" - meaningless.
Why would anyone spend money on something that binds the suspension, even if its just a little when they can buy something that works much better for around the same cost???
The relo bar is a requirement for the Kooks system so that has to be ordered.
Should I not do the LCAs? Seemed like for 60 bucks I should just upgrade them at least for the bushings.
Is a single adjustable bar best or the on car adjustable?
for what its worth, i have umi control arms, panhard relocation bar, on car adj panhard bar, and it all has poly bushings...the best upgrade was by far the bils with strano springs... everything else has helped but its probably because the car has 100k on it with all the old decrepit rubber bushings
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for what its worth, i have umi control arms, panhard relocation bar, on car adj panhard bar, and it all has poly bushings...the best upgrade was by far the bils with strano springs... everything else has helped but its probably because the car has 100k on it with all the old decrepit rubber bushings
http://www.foundersperformance.com/1...ce-poly-joint/
Poly joints with a flexible inside so they don't bind.
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I don't get the point of going to non-stock LCA's for people who aren't racing. The tradeoff is not anywhere near worth it in my opinion for the increased noise you get. Hell my stock star shaped bushings held up pretty well for racing! You want to refresh your LCA's?... Pick up some new solid rubber bushings and swap them into your stock LCAs. If you want to save money.. give your LCAs a tug and shake them hard. No play then just keep them.
I don't get the point of going to non-stock LCA's for people who aren't racing. The tradeoff is not anywhere near worth it in my opinion for the increased noise you get. Hell my stock star shaped bushings held up pretty well for racing! You want to refresh your LCA's?... Pick up some new solid rubber bushings and swap them into your stock LCAs. If you want to save money.. give your LCAs a tug and shake them hard. No play then just keep them.
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