JakeFusion

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Well, I think I've decided to take a bit of a plunge here...

Carbotech XP10s front and XP8 in the rear. This is a good combo for street tires and the 12/10 would be better if I step up to R888s on all four corners.

Apparently, they are rotor friendly on the street and have tons more stopping power, even cold, over "street" pads. But as you get some heat into them, will stop you HARD.

RAMPANT

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Just noticed this.

I used the AX6 for several years and they are a great pad. They do dust and squeal a little, but the dust is not corrosive at all. All my rims still look like new. It wipes off really easy, I never needed wheel cleaner for them, even if the rims got wet and sat for a while. Soap and water only.

I currently have the XP12/10 combo myself for this year, but can not offer any experiences with them yet. I am hoping the 10 is low enough offset to limit or get rid of axle hop. May have to put a 8 or the 6 on the rear later.

JakeFusion

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That's good to know.

I understand the AX6 and XP pads aren't compatible with each other. The Bobcats and XP are... I hear the XPs don't dust as much as the AX6 either.

fruitsalad

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Let us know how the Carbotechs do on the street. I'm interested in getting a set but don't want to screw up my non-ABS street driving too much.

JakeFusion

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Will do. Probably won't be until summer that I even buy them.

I'm going broke with this car. blah

fruitsalad

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Maybe I'll volunteer as the guinea pig.

MeentSS02

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Man...those are some pretty serious compounds, especially for the street. Viper guys that are serious track rats use them, but usually for the track only.

JakeFusion

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Vette guys run them on the street...

So do a lot of the Subie guys.

JakeFusion

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I talked to Mike Puskar Jr. at Carbotech this morning...

This is what he said:

I agree with you, the AX6 compound sounds like what you are looking for. They do produce some dust and they do squeal a little bit, however, the dust is VERY easy to remove (I have used water and my finger in the past) and it is 100% non-corrosive. The squealing can be lessened or eliminated by applying either a copper anti-seize or thread lube or the Permatex Ceramic High Temp Brake Parts Lube (it's purple),

The XP8's are very good when cold, the AX6 is better when cold, but the XP8 is more than adequate. The XP8 does also tend to squeal less, but the dust output is about the same.

If you go with the XP8 in front, use the AX6 in the rear, that combo works REALLY well together on the street and at autox or drag.

Sounds like that's what I will do. XP8 and AX6.

MeentSS02

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People also run open headers and slicks on the street...some people tolerate compromise better than others.

I have a very low tolerance for shitty cold stopping power and brake squealing, so I'm curious to see what you think when you get around to doing this.

RAMPANT

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AX6 pads have crazy cold stopping power. It is their purpose. In autocrosses there is no warming them up. They have strong cold stopping power. I had to be careful on the highway, they have that much bite.

Where they can fall down is if they get too hot. They are not a track pad, I have used them there and they fall off.

JakeFusion

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I wonder if AX6 on the rear with drag radials and XP8 on the front with street tires is going to produce rear lockup at low temps?

libertyforall1776

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You may not be happy with Bobcats, they are said to fade like crazy in track use... Might want to read this thread, different car, but may be useful nonetheless:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/cadillac-...e-pad-set.html

I am wondering if there are Carbotech XP10's for stock F-Body brakes for Road America track use, and others? I could not find an application guide on their site!

libertyforall1776

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Looks like all that is available is the FDB975, anyone have any experience with it?

http://www.ferodo.com/en-gb/Pages/eC.../en/Ferodo/pc#

JakeFusion

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XP10s exist for the stock brakes. And I wouldn't dream of using the Bobcats on the track. The question was the AX6 or better for the street.

If I were doing Road America, I'd do XP12/XP10 (front and rear) at the very least and possibly XP14/10 and see how they do for you.

libertyforall1776

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Finally found their application guide, but there is no such thing listed as XP14:
http://www.ctbrakes.com/pads.asp

http://www.ctbrakes.com/brake-compounds2.asp

I was debating trying HP Plus there... DTC-60 had been recommended to me by a track instructor.

JakeFusion

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Hmm, they've changed up their pads a bit. XP12/10 is a good combo.

HP Plus are not race pads. Do not take them out on Road America. DTC70 front and DTC60 rear would be ok. I'd do them with Racing Brakes rotors (which are very expensive) but they are extremely tough rotors and work well with the DTC series from Hawk. I believe they were designed for them. If you use Carbotech pads with them, the Carbos will glaze.

Otherwise, Carbotechs are good with stock replacement type rotors like Best Brake, NAPA blanks, Raybestos blanks, etc.

libertyforall1776

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^ Ceramics are not race pads either, but I have run them at Road America, not ideal of course. Although it was not actually a race, more of a driving school.

So why would you split between DTC70 & DTC60 for split friction? What does that buy you?

JakeFusion

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I'd split the brake friction up. Very few pad manufacturers will recommend you run as aggressive a compound on the rear as the front, especially on a car with brake bias like the F-Body. Brake biased to the rear is bad for safety, heat, and overall stopping distance. You want more power on the front.

79_T/A

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Jake, what pads that you mentioned have you used on track?