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Old May 5, 2014 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 666ws6
I have a hotchkis one sitting in my garage. Needs a repaint but will sell it really cheap if anyone wants it. I have FRCs now and like the look without the STB.

Pm me if anyone wants it. It was on my 2000 TA for 6 years or so.

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Old May 6, 2014 | 07:03 PM
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I had to go back to the one I found used for $50 and see if it was in your area. I thought you might be trying to drop a hint.
Nope. Keeping mine. Helped get rid of the cowl shake caused by transitions out here. I never realized the roads were that bad until after the brace was installed and the shaking was reduced dramatically.
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Old May 7, 2014 | 11:52 AM
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Shock towers in F-bodys are enormous. I never understood the need.
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Old May 12, 2014 | 12:18 PM
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Did nothing for me except get in the way of the oil cap.
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Old May 14, 2014 | 10:06 PM
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Well, I got mine in today. Got it painted and installed. I should have let it dry a little more, but was like a little kid and didn't wait. I few touch ups and shes all good. Big thanks to Rich.

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Old May 15, 2014 | 12:57 AM
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Yes they make a difference. If it's for normal driving you will not notice sh**, your not exerting enough of an angular force of inertia to notice a difference during normal driving. Strut tower braces are race-proven. We test ours using an software that measures AFI and G's during harsh turning, ours are hydraulically actuated but work just the same as any other STB.


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Old May 15, 2014 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cgormanZ28
Yes they make a difference. If it's for normal driving you will not notice sh**, your not exerting enough of an angular force of inertia to notice a difference during normal driving. Strut tower braces are race-proven. We test ours using an software that measures AFI and G's during harsh turning, ours are hydraulically actuated but work just the same as any other STB.


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A few years ago there was a thread where someone attched some gizmo to the shock tower and reported almost 0 flex on a late 4th gen. Now if your talking about a shock tower making a difference on a Ferrari, then nobody in this thread gives a ****.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by cgormanZ28
Yes they make a difference. If it's for normal driving you will not notice sh**, your not exerting enough of an angular force of inertia to notice a difference during normal driving. Strut tower braces are race-proven. We test ours using an software that measures AFI and G's during harsh turning, ours are hydraulically actuated but work just the same as any other STB.


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The argument isn't weather STB's make a difference, its weather they make a difference on 4th gen Fbodies.
STBs make a difference on cars that have struts, 4th gens do not have struts...
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I got mine for like $40. My engine bay looks badass with it if you ask me lol
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Old May 15, 2014 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JD_AMG
The argument isn't weather STB's make a difference, its weather they make a difference on 4th gen Fbodies.
STBs make a difference on cars that have struts, 4th gens do not have struts...
But the upper mount for the shock/spring is still a function of the unit structure, strut or not! The spring/shock assembly just doesn't hang there in mid air, it has an upper mount!!



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A few years ago there was a thread where someone attched some gizmo to the shock tower and reported almost 0 flex on a late 4th gen. Now if your talking about a shock tower making a difference on a Ferrari, then nobody in this thread gives a ****.
Nice attitude!
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We get this question alot, and honestly there is no simple answer so here is the simplest form of it I can give:

Will a STB improve my car's handling? Yes. It may not be enough to be able to tell from the driver's seat, or be able to take corners faster than before just from the addition of one. HOWEVER, when combined with other parts such as k-member, subframe connectors, etc they really improve structural rigidity and overall feel. Adding a STB alon will reduce deflection between the strut towers which can cause minor alignment changes during cornering, but mostly reduce fatigue on the chassis from flex

Will I feel a difference from putting a STB on my car? No. From the driver's seat you most likely will not feel a difference from adding it. This does not mean it is not doing its job

The most vivid example we have seen of how fragile the front of these cars actually are, is hen we get calls regarding a strut tower brace not fitting properly. Some people report the holes being out by 1/8"-1/4" or more out. They blame our brace, but our braces are built by the hundreds on a jig, and only hear an issue out of 1 in 100 or so. If the issue was in the brace, we would hear alot more issues from people with fitment issues. The few that we do hear issues reported on, every time the car has been involved in an accident. Some very minor, some even in a completely different part of the car. But it shows how the chassis can flex in ways you never notice, until it is compared to a fixed measurement of where it should me. Bear in mind, these cars are basically just sheetmetal spot welded together. Anything you can add to increase rigidity would be a benefit
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Old May 15, 2014 | 12:13 PM
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I think that part of the answer depends upon what type of roads you normally drive on. Where I live it is almost all curvy 2 lane roads, and I am talking about the main highway, not the back roads. Very little freeway driving. And the car isn't a weekend warrior, it is the car I drive everywhere, every day.

I put a BMR brace on several years ago. A simple one tube design. And it may be part my imagination, or wishful thinking, but the car seemed to feel tighter and more 'assured' for lack of a better word. And I am happy with that little extra bit of firmness. Plus it looks cool.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 03:56 PM
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A good test would be to create some sort of "sliding link" test STB. Have one side of the link be thicker than the other. Attach a ziptie to the smaller side. Take the car to a driving event and observe the distance that the ziptie moved.

Someone who's good with numbers could come up with some equation that translates the distance of the tower brace to the camber angle lost.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by z28bryan
A good test would be to create some sort of "sliding link" test STB. Have one side of the link be thicker than the other. Attach a ziptie to the smaller side. Take the car to a driving event and observe the distance that the ziptie moved.

Someone who's good with numbers could come up with some equation that translates the distance of the tower brace to the camber angle lost.
This is a good idea. Another good way to get a good visual representation of this would be to put several incrementally spaced lines on the inner bar and place a go-pro style camera in the engine bay facing the the marks and overlapping area. This would let you see in real time how much it flexes in either direction under different loads. Bear in mind this still will only shows lateral flex. This still will not represent torsional or fore and aft flex.
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Old May 15, 2014 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by _JB_
A few years ago there was a thread where someone attched some gizmo to the shock tower and reported almost 0 flex on a late 4th gen. Now if your talking about a shock tower making a difference on a Ferrari, then nobody in this thread gives a ****.

I don't care what thread you read honestly, I have equipment that
cost more than a ZR1 that says angular inertia in planar movement
changes with acceleration. Ferrari used the same suspension design
that our 4th Gens have.......j/s. At my shop our chassis ear uses a mercury switch that shows moment of intertia THROUGHOUT the entire suspension system, if you are on the track and accelerating through turns harshly a STB makes a difference.....period. I didn't get into Ferrari by trusting everything I heard on a forum, I went to school. For those who are looking to get a STB for your 4th Gen and plan on road racing, look at BMR, UMI, Hotchkis, their techs know their **** and make quality components that last. Me personally, BMR is the way to go. Happy bidding =)
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Old May 15, 2014 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BMR Tech2
We get this question alot, and honestly there is no simple answer so here is the simplest form of it I can give:

Will a STB improve my car's handling? Yes. It may not be enough to be able to tell from the driver's seat, or be able to take corners faster than before just from the addition of one. HOWEVER, when combined with other parts such as k-member, subframe connectors, etc they really improve structural rigidity and overall feel. Adding a STB alon will reduce deflection between the strut towers which can cause minor alignment changes during cornering, but mostly reduce fatigue on the chassis from flex

Will I feel a difference from putting a STB on my car? No. From the driver's seat you most likely will not feel a difference from adding it. This does not mean it is not doing its job

The most vivid example we have seen of how fragile the front of these cars actually are, is hen we get calls regarding a strut tower brace not fitting properly. Some people report the holes being out by 1/8"-1/4" or more out. They blame our brace, but our braces are built by the hundreds on a jig, and only hear an issue out of 1 in 100 or so. If the issue was in the brace, we would hear alot more issues from people with fitment issues. The few that we do hear issues reported on, every time the car has been involved in an accident. Some very minor, some even in a completely different part of the car. But it shows how the chassis can flex in ways you never notice, until it is compared to a fixed measurement of where it should me. Bear in mind, these cars are basically just sheetmetal spot welded together. Anything you can add to increase rigidity would be a benefit


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the BMR brace. Very nicely put Tech2.
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Originally Posted by BMR Tech2
This is a good idea. Another good way to get a good visual representation of this would be to put several incrementally spaced lines on the inner bar and place a go-pro style camera in the engine bay facing the the marks and overlapping area. This would let you see in real time how much it flexes in either direction under different loads. Bear in mind this still will only shows lateral flex. This still will not represent torsional or fore and aft flex.
Actually wait.. my idea may not work. Because I think the problem that we want to test is how far the towers spread apart. My test would only work if the towers were flexing in. (which we'd be gaining negative camber in that case)
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Originally Posted by z28bryan
Actually wait.. my idea may not work. Because I think the problem that we want to test is how far the towers spread apart. My test would only work if the towers were flexing in. (which we'd be gaining negative camber in that case)
The towers, when weight or force is applied, will tend to flex inward, because the shock/spring assemblies have a natural inward tilt as installed.....
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The only version of a STB I see working is the 3 point version that is bolted to the cowl.

I have a 2 point on my trackday car, no difference noted.
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Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
The only version of a STB I see working is the 3 point version that is bolted to the cowl.
That's what I installed on my car back in 1998.......
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