if you have a big brake kit....
09-12-2005, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by qwikz28
...could you inform me about the feel of the kit. by feel i mean does the pedal become softer and more touch sensitive. its something that has always bothered me about my car and if it means getting a big brake kit and new brake lines to solve it, i will. i am in desperate need of new brakes and i wanna know if i should begin allocating money into the big brake fund 
any feedback is very much appreciated.
any feedback is very much appreciated.Keep in mind that much of the upgrade produced in most companies "Big Brake Upgrade" is done so by matching a caliper within certain limits to function with the O.E. Master Cylinder. Since this upgrade is usually done to supply a more robust clamping force, thus improving stopping distance. One must remember to consider the volume requirment in the "New calipers" and how it will effect brake pedal feel and height.
Note: If your BBK does not include a MC but the calipers have been upgraded to support more volume and more clamping force....a slightly lower pedal can be expected depending on how much of a sq. area change was made. Other factors related to the performance parts of the BBK counteract this though i.e. (SS Flex lines, Aluminum alloy fixed pos. calipers....etc.)
09-12-2005, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonWW
I don't have 2K for a big brake kit nor do I like spending, what, $300 per rotor or so for a replacement? I'm glad I don't need a big brake kit, it would suck up all my money.
Sorry, had to clarify. I knew that you were talking about the parts that are easily consumed on a regular basis, however if the rotor bell somehow get's screwed up (not easily, but has happened on occasion) then the "whole" rotor get's mighty expensive.
In essence the OEM caliper cannot withstand too much beyond a moderate amount of aggresive driving, so in cases like these, the C5 is more than feasible for most drivers. Point in case, don't do any driving that will generate too much heat for an OEM brake system to handle.
09-12-2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonWW
I don't have 2K for a big brake kit nor do I like spending, what, $300 per rotor or so for a replacement? I'm glad I don't need a big brake kit, it would suck up all my money.
If you have to drag a spare set of rotors and pads with you to an event because what you have will warp, crack or glaze, then all of a sudden, you are spending 25% of the cost of big brakes on replacement parts ... parts that are gonna warp, crack or glaze.
With no change in driving style, I was able to get 10x the life out of rotors I was getting with the best of what anyone was offering for OEM or OEm replacement. I was get 5x or more life out of brake pads.
Just because you have to replace pads and rotors after every weekend's event, doesn't mean you will have to do the same thing with big brakes.
I had my Prospeed (Porsche 996TT brakes) on my car for over 2 years and thousands of track miles.
I replaced rotors 1 time ($185 ea) and race pads 1 time ($225 set). When I sold the brake kit, it was as if they were brand new ...
Before you scoff at the initial cost, do the math over the long haul ...
Pay me now and don't worry about it or pay me later ... over and over and over and over ...
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=13&t=5286&
The best bang for the buck brake package available. Rotors and pads are easy to source, unlike some other kits.
09-13-2005, 07:18 AM
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Some folks swap only pads at the track. You have to choose them wisely to be compatible, but there are certain combo's that work.
Hopefully everyone gets my point about expensive replacement parts. Once you move up to the BBK everything gets more expensive. I would rather go through a set or two of regular parts just to make sure that they are "not enough" before spending a big wad on the BBK.
qwikz28, has not posted back what he does with the car, but if it is less that some type of road racing, I would rather he try some aggressive pads like I have and add some cooling ducts then see if that cures his problems.
His problems may also be user created, by braking later than he should or something. I want to hear what he has to say about his intended use and under what conditions he cracked the rotor.
Hopefully everyone gets my point about expensive replacement parts. Once you move up to the BBK everything gets more expensive. I would rather go through a set or two of regular parts just to make sure that they are "not enough" before spending a big wad on the BBK.
qwikz28, has not posted back what he does with the car, but if it is less that some type of road racing, I would rather he try some aggressive pads like I have and add some cooling ducts then see if that cures his problems.
His problems may also be user created, by braking later than he should or something. I want to hear what he has to say about his intended use and under what conditions he cracked the rotor.
09-13-2005, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonWW
Hopefully everyone gets my point about expensive replacement parts. Once you move up to the BBK everything gets more expensive. I would rather go through a set or two of regular parts just to make sure that they are "not enough" before spending a big wad on the BBK.
But it does depend greatly on your useage. It makes no sense to install big brakes on a daily driver or even on an AX car that sees 2 or 3 events a year.
But, if you got through 4 or 5 sets of rotors and pads a year, it definitely makes fiscal sense.
09-13-2005, 09:29 PM
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Mitch, I know it would be cheaper "in the long run", but only if you are going through sets of rotors and pads quickly. It is a simple concept to grasp. I don't know why you think I don't understand it.
I just said make sure that you DO go through merely 1 or 2 sets of parts to ake sure. Don't just assume you're are going to need the BBK. That's my point.
I was considering the Vette rotor upgrade, but since I tried the more agressive pads I found it it was unecessary for me. So I saved some money. I think it's a good idea to improve your brakes gradually to see what your needs are rather than jumping into a BBK based on assumptions. If I had done that, I would be losing money hand over fist. Even in the long run.
I just said make sure that you DO go through merely 1 or 2 sets of parts to ake sure. Don't just assume you're are going to need the BBK. That's my point.
I was considering the Vette rotor upgrade, but since I tried the more agressive pads I found it it was unecessary for me. So I saved some money. I think it's a good idea to improve your brakes gradually to see what your needs are rather than jumping into a BBK based on assumptions. If I had done that, I would be losing money hand over fist. Even in the long run.
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09-15-2005, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonWW
I don't have 2K for a big brake kit nor do I like spending, what, $300 per rotor or so for a replacement? I'm glad I don't need a big brake kit, it would suck up all my money.
Who says you have to spend $2000.00 for the 98-02 Camaro? We have kits as low as $849.15 with 13" rotors and 4 piston Wilwood Superlite calipers, SS Flex..etc. We have a whole lot of options including Race Ready kits for this car. Highest price kit we have for this Gen is $2,199.00 but it includes Monster 14" rotors by 1.250" thick and 4 piston "Billet" Superlites. Tons of options in between though including 2 pce hats and rotors.
I don't have 2K for a big brake kit nor do I like spending, what, $300 per rotor or so for a replacement? I'm glad I don't need a big brake kit, it would suck up all my money.
Who says you have to spend $2000.00 for the 98-02 Camaro? We have kits as low as $849.15 with 13" rotors and 4 piston Wilwood Superlite calipers, SS Flex..etc. We have a whole lot of options including Race Ready kits for this car. Highest price kit we have for this Gen is $2,199.00 but it includes Monster 14" rotors by 1.250" thick and 4 piston "Billet" Superlites. Tons of options in between though including 2 pce hats and rotors.
09-15-2005, 08:19 PM
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Laramie,
Can you tell me, on your Wilwood SL6/C4HD kits (I have one of your kits that I bought used from a friend), do you use a caliper that will take a 1.25" rotor, or the version for a 1.10? I would like to upgrade my kit to use the C5 rotors if possible. And, if possible, do you sell the brackets/spacers that I'd need for the job (if I can use my existing calipers). I looked for a number on the calipers, and didn't see one, nor did I see an easy way to measure them to be able to tell.
Thanks!
Kevin
Can you tell me, on your Wilwood SL6/C4HD kits (I have one of your kits that I bought used from a friend), do you use a caliper that will take a 1.25" rotor, or the version for a 1.10? I would like to upgrade my kit to use the C5 rotors if possible. And, if possible, do you sell the brackets/spacers that I'd need for the job (if I can use my existing calipers). I looked for a number on the calipers, and didn't see one, nor did I see an easy way to measure them to be able to tell.
Thanks!
Kevin
09-16-2005, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by trackbird
Laramie,
Can you tell me, on your Wilwood SL6/C4HD kits (I have one of your kits that I bought used from a friend), do you use a caliper that will take a 1.25" rotor, or the version for a 1.10? I would like to upgrade my kit to use the C5 rotors if possible. And, if possible, do you sell the brackets/spacers that I'd need for the job (if I can use my existing calipers). I looked for a number on the calipers, and didn't see one, nor did I see an easy way to measure them to be able to tell.
Thanks!
Kevin
Can you tell me, on your Wilwood SL6/C4HD kits (I have one of your kits that I bought used from a friend), do you use a caliper that will take a 1.25" rotor, or the version for a 1.10? I would like to upgrade my kit to use the C5 rotors if possible. And, if possible, do you sell the brackets/spacers that I'd need for the job (if I can use my existing calipers). I looked for a number on the calipers, and didn't see one, nor did I see an easy way to measure them to be able to tell.
Thanks!
Kevin
As you probably know the C4HD uses 13.00" rotors stock and the C4 (exc. HD) use 12.00" rotors. Either way I will assume you know that the C5 rotors are 325mm or 12.81" stock. Were you wanting to go with the O.E. size C5 rotors? If so. Then yes...you will need brackets, spacers, and new hardware. Where do you plan on getting the rotors? I have them in 2 pce that would kick some serious A@% on your car!
In this picture you can see the rotors as they are in the 2 pce option.
Or did you want something 1 pce?
09-16-2005, 12:05 PM
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I have your SL6 (6 piston) Wilwood kit with C4HD rotors. I wanted to use factory C5 rotors to start, and may look into a 2 piece setup down the road. So, I am guessing I'll just need brackets, spacers and rotors. Can you PM me (or e-mail to trackbirdengineering(at)columbus.rr.com) prices on the parts I need? (of course, I just put new rotors and pads on the car two weeks ago, oh well). I might just use the GM rotors (they have a set for $19 each that have worked well with the C5 conversion kits). I appreciate your time.
Sorry for the hijack.
Sorry for the hijack.
09-16-2005, 12:40 PM
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Laramie, I appreciate the help on the phone (it's much easier and faster than working through the forums) and I look forward to working with you in the near future (since I can't ask for anything easy 
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Guys, Laramie at precision brakes should be able to fix you up with almost anything you need (I just got off the phone with him). If you're looking for brake kits, you may want to give them a call (I've been happy with mine). There are lots of great choices out there, but it never hurts to have another one.
).Guys, Laramie at precision brakes should be able to fix you up with almost anything you need (I just got off the phone with him). If you're looking for brake kits, you may want to give them a call (I've been happy with mine). There are lots of great choices out there, but it never hurts to have another one.
09-19-2005, 07:07 PM
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New Member Hi Guys,My name is Ben Sekora. I am a technical sales representative with Precison Brakes Company. I'm here to help Ltorres with PBC's responsibilities to LS1TECH and its members. I look forward to chating with you.
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09-21-2005, 12:15 PM
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What is the price of the Wilwood 6 piston Billet Superlight kit? Does it come with all needed hardware to get up and running?
09-21-2005, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by qwikz28
whats the price on the kit pictured? your website has me confused
