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Old Sep 13, 2008 | 02:52 PM
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Talking Installed a PHB yesterday...

And wow! What a difference! The part itself is nothing special - non-adjustable tubular with poly bushing ends. Rear stability when going around corners is a LOT better (and on bumpy roads)! Would never have gotten one if I didn't find one locally for a very good price. I wish I had known it made this much of a difference a looong time ago.

Unfortunately, now I can actually notice how my car tips up when turning one way, and tip down when turning the other way. Time for a watts link.
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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ZexGX
And wow! What a difference! The part itself is nothing special - non-adjustable tubular with poly bushing ends. Rear stability when going around corners is a LOT better (and on bumpy roads)! Would never have gotten one if I didn't find one locally for a very good price. I wish I had known it made this much of a difference a looong time ago.

Unfortunately, now I can actually notice how my car tips up when turning one way, and tip down when turning the other way. Time for a watts link.
Oh yeah I love flooring it around corners with my UMI. Good mod.
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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 01:54 AM
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Actually I have a question now... What next? Car has the following suspension mods:
  • Shocks (KYB AGX front, Bilstein HD rear - old style valving)
  • 1LE front swaybar, Z28 rear swaybar with F/R poly bushings and endlinks
  • UMI non-adjustable PHB w/poly bushings
  • UMI 3 point SFCs (still in packaging - have to install when I get a chance)

I'm looking for something that makes a noticable change... Like bigger swaybars, nice shocks, or a good PHB - that sort of improvement. Currently I'm looking at springs or LCA's for suspension upgrades - though there may be other options.

I think I'll be getting a set of springs from a 98+ WS6 (even if its the same as a Z28, it'll be an improvement over what I have), cause I don't want to lower the car (DD, dirt roads, steep driveways, etc.).

Should I do springs first or LCAs? If LCAs, adjustable or non? Brand/model? I DD the car so I'm looking for something low maintenance (I don't care about squeaking with poly bushings - never had a problem with the poly swaybar bushings and it's been well over 6k miles since install). I care more about cornering than straight line accel.
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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 02:15 AM
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Just installed a strut-tower brace in mine. Definitely made more of a difference than the PHB I installed a couple of months ago. Nose of the car feels a lot more rigid, and braking is "better". Don't know how to describe it...
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Originally Posted by TA-Swede
Just installed a strut-tower brace in mine. Definitely made more of a difference than the PHB I installed a couple of months ago. Nose of the car feels a lot more rigid, and braking is "better". Don't know how to describe it...
sorry man, but the tower brace you really can't tell much of a difference at all unless you are taking corners at a high speeds (which you prob are not doing). The PHB is a much more noticeable suspension mod hands down.

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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ZexGX
Actually I have a question now... What next? Car has the following suspension mods:
  • Shocks (KYB AGX front, Bilstein HD rear - old style valving)
  • 1LE front swaybar, Z28 rear swaybar with F/R poly bushings and endlinks
  • UMI non-adjustable PHB w/poly bushings
  • UMI 3 point SFCs (still in packaging - have to install when I get a chance)

I'm looking for something that makes a noticable change... Like bigger swaybars, nice shocks, or a good PHB - that sort of improvement. Currently I'm looking at springs or LCA's for suspension upgrades - though there may be other options.

I think I'll be getting a set of springs from a 98+ WS6 (even if its the same as a Z28, it'll be an improvement over what I have), cause I don't want to lower the car (DD, dirt roads, steep driveways, etc.).

Should I do springs first or LCAs? If LCAs, adjustable or non? Brand/model? I DD the car so I'm looking for something low maintenance (I don't care about squeaking with poly bushings - never had a problem with the poly swaybar bushings and it's been well over 6k miles since install). I care more about cornering than straight line accel.

If I were you I would get one of these w/o a doubt. Also another great mod!

http://www.umiperformance.com/produc...ategory_id=130
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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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BULLSHI** sorry man, but the tower brace you really can't tell much of a difference at all unless you are taking corners at a high speeds (which you prob are not doing). The PHB is a much more noticeable suspension mod hands down.
Ehh.. What possible reason could I have for making something like that up?
I'm telling you, I felt a bigger difference from my strut-tower brace than from my UMI PHB..

High-speed cornering? Very seldom, but it's been known to happen. However, biggest difference is when braking (car seems more stable and less pulling left/right) as well as when going over speedbumps/etc on an angle, where the car just feels more rigid in the front.

Heck, I got the STB for next to nothing, and expected it to do next to nothing. Got pleasantly surprised though.
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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 02:09 PM
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definately look at umi's lca's and torque arm, it will help you're traction a lot, and also the subframe connectors are a big improvement as well, you might see some ride quality go out the window with the sfc's though...
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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TA-Swede
Ehh.. What possible reason could I have for making something like that up?
I'm telling you, I felt a bigger difference from my strut-tower brace than from my UMI PHB..

High-speed cornering? Very seldom, but it's been known to happen. However, biggest difference is when braking (car seems more stable and less pulling left/right) as well as when going over speedbumps/etc on an angle, where the car just feels more rigid in the front.

Heck, I got the STB for next to nothing, and expected it to do next to nothing. Got pleasantly surprised though.
Oh I don't doubt you felt a little difference with the brace, I did too a little. I think most would agree that the PHB is a much better mod that will show a more sig change in the way the cars drives/handles. I've done both mods to my A4 and that PHB did WONDERS. The tower brace is kinda like putting a bigger throttle body on vs the PHB is like a cold air...the cold air mod responds better
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Originally Posted by ZexGX
And wow! What a difference! The part itself is nothing special - non-adjustable tubular with poly bushing ends. Rear stability when going around corners is a LOT better (and on bumpy roads)! Would never have gotten one if I didn't find one locally for a very good price. I wish I had known it made this much of a difference a looong time ago.

Unfortunately, now I can actually notice how my car tips up when turning one way, and tip down when turning the other way. Time for a watts link.


I just did an install this weekend. So far it is working out.

It isn't that hard to install but I took a lot of time making sure everything was positioned/adjusted correctly.
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BMR lca's and torque arm set at -2 pinion angle with nitto DR's and will never look back car hooks amazing definatley do torque arm+LCa's
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What exactly don't you like about the car or what to change? Strano made a good point the last time I talked to him. It's kinda pointless to throw a bunch of parts at a car when you don't really know what they are going to do.

If you say you don't like "this" about your car.

Someone such as Strano or someone else can suggest "that" to fix it.

I think asking what your next mod should be is kind of an open ended question because everyone is different. The last thing I think anyone wants you to do is to change someone and not be happy with it. That make sense?

You said the car tips in? Have you thought about getting koni's? Is there to much body roll? If so I think sway bars would help. I know there is a lot of talk about the watts rear. IMO there's a lot of things you could do before you get to needing a watts. Such as koni's, sway bars, etc. I am by no means a suspension expert, hell i am a newbie just my .02. Someone please correct me if I am saying something wrong.
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