New Mustang GT's Just Showed Up!
04-10-2009, 03:29 PM
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ok, i'm gonna have to call bullshit on that one. it is fair to compare the GT500 to the ZR1. even if you do compare the Ford GT to the ZR1, isn't the ZR1 faster? there's always guys that will prefer GM's products over Ford's, and vice versa. why argue about it? this thread is starting to majorly suck
700 POUNDS
IRS for the ZR1 vs the SRA GT500
3.42 rear end ZR1 vs 3.31 GT500
GT500 has a usable back seat
supercar status braking for the ZR1 vs the stock Brembo's on the GT500
6.2L supercharged ZR1 vs a 5.4L supercharged GT500
Yes the ZR1 is faster than a Ford GT. The only thing I stated the GT is better at is the driving experience. I love the ZR1 its a hell of a car but you guys are grasping for straws comparing the Z06 or the ZR1 to a Mustang. Ford does not have a competitor for the Corvette, and GM does not (yet) have a competitor for the GT500/KR.
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Ok, lets look at the differences between the GT500 and the ZR1.
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IRS for the ZR1 vs the SRA GT500
3.42 rear end ZR1 vs 3.31 GT500
GT500 has a usable back seat
supercar status braking for the ZR1 vs the stock Brembo's on the GT500
6.2L supercharged ZR1 vs a 5.4L supercharged GT500
Yes the ZR1 is faster than a Ford GT. The only thing I stated the GT is better at is the driving experience. I love the ZR1 its a hell of a car but you guys are grasping for straws comparing the Z06 or the ZR1 to a Mustang. Ford does not have a competitor for the Corvette, and GM does not (yet) have a competitor for the GT500/KR.
700 POUNDS
IRS for the ZR1 vs the SRA GT500
3.42 rear end ZR1 vs 3.31 GT500
GT500 has a usable back seat
supercar status braking for the ZR1 vs the stock Brembo's on the GT500
6.2L supercharged ZR1 vs a 5.4L supercharged GT500
Yes the ZR1 is faster than a Ford GT. The only thing I stated the GT is better at is the driving experience. I love the ZR1 its a hell of a car but you guys are grasping for straws comparing the Z06 or the ZR1 to a Mustang. Ford does not have a competitor for the Corvette, and GM does not (yet) have a competitor for the GT500/KR.
BUT couldnt we compare the cts-v to the gt500/kr?
04-10-2009, 03:36 PM
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i got **** once for talking smack to someone on this site. here, this time, all i was doing was stating my opinion, and i get harrased from a ******* admin....great place.... im not saying they are meant to compete, i wasnt even really comparing the cars... if NE thing, i was comparing the FI gm engines and the FI ford engines, HORSEPOWER wise.... but i guess im a **** kid... o well...
04-10-2009, 06:13 PM
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I thought it was rather ugly. I didn't much like the previous body style. I like the GT500's looks though, and the 03-04 Cobras. But I will always remain partial to the 87-93 style, an 87 stang was my first car, then I graduated to the formula. 
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i gotta give props to all the rich a-holes (jk) that can afford those cars! 
until i can-i will stick to my trans am that can kick the new mustangs ***. at least they dont have to pay ~100/+/- for a strut tower bar. 
"those cars"= zr1, ford gt, ect.... not the new mustang.
until i can-i will stick to my trans am that can kick the new mustangs ***. at least they dont have to pay ~100/+/- for a strut tower bar. "those cars"= zr1, ford gt, ect.... not the new mustang.
04-10-2009, 09:07 PM
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even though i get a sweet deal on parts from that dealership with my account. i would avoid buying a camaro there. before i put in a order for my 2010 ss. i went there they mentioned that they would be adding a 8-15k$ markup on all camaros. i laughed and told them to have a nice day and walked out!
what the hell u sold the SS and got a z06? baller man
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Back on topic..............
I didn't even know Ford redesigned the Mustang. I don't mind the new-retro styling. What I mind are these garbage engines they have been shoving down our throats for 14 years. I use to be 100% Ford loyal until they abandoned the people who kept them in business.
Some how they forgot that the fact the 5.0 aftermarket explosion is what kept divisions like SVT and FRPP going and interested new generations in Mustangs. They forgot that what kept thousands of people coming back and buying performance parts was the fact that you could get a stripped down 5.0, CHEAP, drive it off the showroom and go compete with anything on the street at the time. They were easy to work on too.
In 1996 they royal screwed Mustang and Ford owners. And when they realized exactly how badly they pissed everyone off and how badly they screwed up they immediately started talking about new engines and higher horsepower. 13 years later we're still waiting.
The first thing they should have done was drop the 4.6 and shove it back into the Crown Vics and fire up the push-rod line again. When they killed the 5.0 Mustang they still produced 5.0s for other vehicles for a year or two. More than enough time to go back to them. Instead they completely canceled them and continued shoving "improved" versions of the 4.6 down our throats. I've been to college and gone, I'm vested in a career field, married, 2 kids, a 3rd on the way, 1 kid in school, my hairline is twice as far from my eyebrows as it was and I have wrinkles where there weren't any the last time Ford made a decent engine, and I'm still waiting for Ford to pull their heads out of each others back sides. 
Ford should have put the 351 Windsor in the base Mustang GT and forgotten they ever mentioned the word "modular".
When I first started looking into LS1s it was because I wanted something new to play with. I decided to actually get one when I realized I desperately wanted t-tops (something Ford only offered for 1 year) and a 6 speed manual transmission (something Ford STILL hasn't put in a Mustang GT). I knew I struggled for years trying to hang with and beat the LT1s and LS1s and decided I wanted to try one. When I first started looking the price of after market parts shocked me. $400 for a cam? I was used to paying $150.
$800 for a top of the line plastic intake? Ford's was $450-$500 for a polished aluminum intake. Heads from the same company cost twice as much for an LS1 as they did for a 5.0. But I also knew how big the aftermarket was for the LS1 and how strongly it responded to minor modifications. Since I've gotten one I've found how simple an engine and car they are in most regards. Sure some of the bolts are a pain to reach and some of the maintenance can be a pain, but the engine reminds me of the 5.0 in a lot of ways.
Chevrolet has kept going the things that Ford abandoned a long time ago. Even when they killed the Camaro/Firebird they kept the LS engine going and have made it into what the 5.0 line use to be or better. And Ford has continued screwing their fans with the same old tired 4.6s. Oh wait, Ford put an extra valve in it and gave it a "boost" of 30 horse. Of course they also made it gain 300 lbs. That makes it all better.
The LS1 has gotten me interested in cars again and has even inspired me to work on my 1988 Mustang GT and 1994 Mustang GT and try to return them to their former glory. Until Ford remembers what a Mustang should be, I'll stick to my LS1 and my Fords of decades gone by.
I didn't even know Ford redesigned the Mustang. I don't mind the new-retro styling. What I mind are these garbage engines they have been shoving down our throats for 14 years. I use to be 100% Ford loyal until they abandoned the people who kept them in business.
Some how they forgot that the fact the 5.0 aftermarket explosion is what kept divisions like SVT and FRPP going and interested new generations in Mustangs. They forgot that what kept thousands of people coming back and buying performance parts was the fact that you could get a stripped down 5.0, CHEAP, drive it off the showroom and go compete with anything on the street at the time. They were easy to work on too.
In 1996 they royal screwed Mustang and Ford owners. And when they realized exactly how badly they pissed everyone off and how badly they screwed up they immediately started talking about new engines and higher horsepower. 13 years later we're still waiting.
The first thing they should have done was drop the 4.6 and shove it back into the Crown Vics and fire up the push-rod line again. When they killed the 5.0 Mustang they still produced 5.0s for other vehicles for a year or two. More than enough time to go back to them. Instead they completely canceled them and continued shoving "improved" versions of the 4.6 down our throats. I've been to college and gone, I'm vested in a career field, married, 2 kids, a 3rd on the way, 1 kid in school, my hairline is twice as far from my eyebrows as it was and I have wrinkles where there weren't any the last time Ford made a decent engine, and I'm still waiting for Ford to pull their heads out of each others back sides. Ford should have put the 351 Windsor in the base Mustang GT and forgotten they ever mentioned the word "modular". When I first started looking into LS1s it was because I wanted something new to play with. I decided to actually get one when I realized I desperately wanted t-tops (something Ford only offered for 1 year) and a 6 speed manual transmission (something Ford STILL hasn't put in a Mustang GT). I knew I struggled for years trying to hang with and beat the LT1s and LS1s and decided I wanted to try one. When I first started looking the price of after market parts shocked me. $400 for a cam? I was used to paying $150.
$800 for a top of the line plastic intake? Ford's was $450-$500 for a polished aluminum intake. Heads from the same company cost twice as much for an LS1 as they did for a 5.0. But I also knew how big the aftermarket was for the LS1 and how strongly it responded to minor modifications. Since I've gotten one I've found how simple an engine and car they are in most regards. Sure some of the bolts are a pain to reach and some of the maintenance can be a pain, but the engine reminds me of the 5.0 in a lot of ways. Chevrolet has kept going the things that Ford abandoned a long time ago. Even when they killed the Camaro/Firebird they kept the LS engine going and have made it into what the 5.0 line use to be or better. And Ford has continued screwing their fans with the same old tired 4.6s. Oh wait, Ford put an extra valve in it and gave it a "boost" of 30 horse. Of course they also made it gain 300 lbs. That makes it all better.
The LS1 has gotten me interested in cars again and has even inspired me to work on my 1988 Mustang GT and 1994 Mustang GT and try to return them to their former glory. Until Ford remembers what a Mustang should be, I'll stick to my LS1 and my Fords of decades gone by.
04-11-2009, 12:27 AM
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<== sexiest mustang bodystyle 
2010 Mustang = GAY!!
Here is my theory why they didnt put the 5.0 4V into the new mustang this year. My theory is that there is such a great demand for the new camaro that ford realized that it was pointless to bring a challenger this early on into the game. Yes im talking about a mustang being a challenger to the camaro, disagree if you want. I think their logic was to wait until the camaro's such high demand falls then finally introduce a competitor. Then they will introduce the "All new 5.0 Mustang" that we all know is not a new technology by any means. There they can take away some of the sales away from the camaro and bring it into the mustangs. Its a marketing strategy. Unlike chevy, ford has decided to please their pockets rather than their fans. Mustangs should not be compared to Corvettes. They are two different classes.
2010 Mustang = GAY!!
Here is my theory why they didnt put the 5.0 4V into the new mustang this year. My theory is that there is such a great demand for the new camaro that ford realized that it was pointless to bring a challenger this early on into the game. Yes im talking about a mustang being a challenger to the camaro, disagree if you want. I think their logic was to wait until the camaro's such high demand falls then finally introduce a competitor. Then they will introduce the "All new 5.0 Mustang" that we all know is not a new technology by any means. There they can take away some of the sales away from the camaro and bring it into the mustangs. Its a marketing strategy. Unlike chevy, ford has decided to please their pockets rather than their fans. Mustangs should not be compared to Corvettes. They are two different classes.
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i got **** once for talking smack to someone on this site. here, this time, all i was doing was stating my opinion, and i get harrased from a ******* admin....great place.... im not saying they are meant to compete, i wasnt even really comparing the cars... if NE thing, i was comparing the FI gm engines and the FI ford engines, HORSEPOWER wise.... but i guess im a **** kid... o well...
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Back on topic..............
I didn't even know Ford redesigned the Mustang. I don't mind the new-retro styling. What I mind are these garbage engines they have been shoving down our throats for 14 years. I use to be 100% Ford loyal until they abandoned the people who kept them in business.
Some how they forgot that the fact the 5.0 aftermarket explosion is what kept divisions like SVT and FRPP going and interested new generations in Mustangs. They forgot that what kept thousands of people coming back and buying performance parts was the fact that you could get a stripped down 5.0, CHEAP, drive it off the showroom and go compete with anything on the street at the time. They were easy to work on too.
In 1996 they royal screwed Mustang and Ford owners. And when they realized exactly how badly they pissed everyone off and how badly they screwed up they immediately started talking about new engines and higher horsepower. 13 years later we're still waiting. The first thing they should have done was drop the 4.6 and shove it back into the Crown Vics and fire up the push-rod line again. When they killed the 5.0 Mustang they still produced 5.0s for other vehicles for a year or two. More than enough time to go back to them. Instead they completely canceled them and continued shoving "improved" versions of the 4.6 down our throats. I've been to college and gone, I'm vested in a career field, married, 2 kids, a 3rd on the way, 1 kid in school, my hairline is twice as far from my eyebrows as it was and I have wrinkles where there weren't any the last time Ford made a decent engine, and I'm still waiting for Ford to pull their heads out of each others back sides. Ford should have put the 351 Windsor in the base Mustang GT and forgotten they ever mentioned the word "modular".
When I first started looking into LS1s it was because I wanted something new to play with. I decided to actually get one when I realized I desperately wanted t-tops (something Ford only offered for 1 year) and a 6 speed manual transmission (something Ford STILL hasn't put in a Mustang GT). I knew I struggled for years trying to hang with and beat the LT1s and LS1s and decided I wanted to try one. When I first started looking the price of after market parts shocked me. $400 for a cam? I was used to paying $150. $800 for a top of the line plastic intake? Ford's was $450-$500 for a polished aluminum intake. Heads from the same company cost twice as much for an LS1 as they did for a 5.0. But I also knew how big the aftermarket was for the LS1 and how strongly it responded to minor modifications. Since I've gotten one I've found how simple an engine and car they are in most regards. Sure some of the bolts are a pain to reach and some of the maintenance can be a pain, but the engine reminds me of the 5.0 in a lot of ways.
Chevrolet has kept going the things that Ford abandoned a long time ago. Even when they killed the Camaro/Firebird they kept the LS engine going and have made it into what the 5.0 line use to be or better. And Ford has continued screwing their fans with the same old tired 4.6s. Oh wait, Ford put an extra valve in it and gave it a "boost" of 30 horse. Of course they also made it gain 300 lbs. That makes it all better.
The LS1 has gotten me interested in cars again and has even inspired me to work on my 1988 Mustang GT and 1994 Mustang GT and try to return them to their former glory. Until Ford remembers what a Mustang should be, I'll stick to my LS1 and my Fords of decades gone by.
I didn't even know Ford redesigned the Mustang. I don't mind the new-retro styling. What I mind are these garbage engines they have been shoving down our throats for 14 years. I use to be 100% Ford loyal until they abandoned the people who kept them in business.
Some how they forgot that the fact the 5.0 aftermarket explosion is what kept divisions like SVT and FRPP going and interested new generations in Mustangs. They forgot that what kept thousands of people coming back and buying performance parts was the fact that you could get a stripped down 5.0, CHEAP, drive it off the showroom and go compete with anything on the street at the time. They were easy to work on too.
In 1996 they royal screwed Mustang and Ford owners. And when they realized exactly how badly they pissed everyone off and how badly they screwed up they immediately started talking about new engines and higher horsepower. 13 years later we're still waiting.
The first thing they should have done was drop the 4.6 and shove it back into the Crown Vics and fire up the push-rod line again. When they killed the 5.0 Mustang they still produced 5.0s for other vehicles for a year or two. More than enough time to go back to them. Instead they completely canceled them and continued shoving "improved" versions of the 4.6 down our throats. I've been to college and gone, I'm vested in a career field, married, 2 kids, a 3rd on the way, 1 kid in school, my hairline is twice as far from my eyebrows as it was and I have wrinkles where there weren't any the last time Ford made a decent engine, and I'm still waiting for Ford to pull their heads out of each others back sides. Ford should have put the 351 Windsor in the base Mustang GT and forgotten they ever mentioned the word "modular". When I first started looking into LS1s it was because I wanted something new to play with. I decided to actually get one when I realized I desperately wanted t-tops (something Ford only offered for 1 year) and a 6 speed manual transmission (something Ford STILL hasn't put in a Mustang GT). I knew I struggled for years trying to hang with and beat the LT1s and LS1s and decided I wanted to try one. When I first started looking the price of after market parts shocked me. $400 for a cam? I was used to paying $150.
$800 for a top of the line plastic intake? Ford's was $450-$500 for a polished aluminum intake. Heads from the same company cost twice as much for an LS1 as they did for a 5.0. But I also knew how big the aftermarket was for the LS1 and how strongly it responded to minor modifications. Since I've gotten one I've found how simple an engine and car they are in most regards. Sure some of the bolts are a pain to reach and some of the maintenance can be a pain, but the engine reminds me of the 5.0 in a lot of ways. Chevrolet has kept going the things that Ford abandoned a long time ago. Even when they killed the Camaro/Firebird they kept the LS engine going and have made it into what the 5.0 line use to be or better. And Ford has continued screwing their fans with the same old tired 4.6s. Oh wait, Ford put an extra valve in it and gave it a "boost" of 30 horse. Of course they also made it gain 300 lbs. That makes it all better.
The LS1 has gotten me interested in cars again and has even inspired me to work on my 1988 Mustang GT and 1994 Mustang GT and try to return them to their former glory. Until Ford remembers what a Mustang should be, I'll stick to my LS1 and my Fords of decades gone by.
Finally my buddy let me drive his 98 Formula WS6 and was like "DAMN". Ended up getting a 98 TA back in 2000 and haven't even bothered looking at the newer Mustang GTs because of the 4.6 engine. Like you said, Ford screwed a lot of mustang loyalist over with that engine.
I'm really sad to see that the new GT that was dyno'd put down less hp then my 1998 Trans Am did stock. That's down right
04-11-2009, 08:17 AM
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Bought a 07 GT 5sp and was very upset how slow and ruf riding they are after time. I got rid of it first of this year. Ford needs to step it up, I did like the look..Just no power at all.
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even though i get a sweet deal on parts from that dealership with my account. i would avoid buying a camaro there. before i put in a order for my 2010 ss. i went there they mentioned that they would be adding a 8-15k$ markup on all camaros. i laughed and told them to have a nice day and walked out!