2011 5.0 GT = 468 fwhp
11-12-2009, 02:16 PM
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http://blog.caranddriver.com/2011-fo...-hp-5-0-liter/
11-12-2009, 02:56 PM
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I guess we will find out and see what the new GT will do in January. I love you LS1 guys and all, but the new GTs might show the original gangster LS1s whats up. I would like to see a full bolt on 2011 GT and full bolt on 02 WS6 run. That will be a true test to see if Ford caught up to the NA game. However, i doubt the NA GT could out run with a LS1 MS4 car lol. Cam a 2010 Camaro SS LS3 and watch what happens to a NA five point slow.
FoMoCo can't build a fast NA car. 5.0s will forever be a piece of ****. **** the Terminator and GT4500 BS. Eaton made SVT famous, not Ford! If i were a 03/04 'bra owner id wear a "ported" Eaton shirt over a Ford SVT shirt. Ford engines need an air compressor to produce power because the factory motor is not small
. You can't even stroke and bore a Modular motor past a 351 to my knowledge. **** you could build a 511 LSX motor. Thats 160 more cubic inches!
I am just tired of people disrespecting the NA motor. There is a huge difference between the NA and FI game. If you were to look under the hood of a 2002 WS6 and a 03/04 'bra, which engine would you choose to win a race if you didn't no **** about cars? The 03/04 'bra of course because you would automatically assume that the car with the blower is faster than the car without one... FI motors should logically produce more power than a NA engines. However, what could be hiding underneath the hood of the WS6 is a monster 14:1 SR 454 LSX on race gas. You could just lie to the 'bra owner and just say its a cammed LS1. They couldn't tell a difference. Thats the beauty of the LS-Series. Henry Ford rolls over in his grave every night because cammed LS engines awake him and scare the **** out of him. FoMoCo knows they fucked up leaving the NA game. The 2011 GT is their answer.
But owners are going to install FI kits on their 2011 GTs and completely disrespect the NA game again. Fords need boost to go fast. You cannot logically disagree with that statement.
For the next 50 years Ford will behind in the NA game. Hold on wait, they still have their prized fast blower cars. If you want to build a decent blower car, call up GM and they will build you your very own LSA/9 car. Tons of people are making 700 plus to the wheels on a factory LS3. Can you imagine the power you could make on a factory LS9? I want GMMP to produce a LS9 short block.
The OHV LS9 made the DOHC supercharged 5.4 its bitch. I bet both cost very similar. Eaton made SVT famous for going fast. Eaton made the LS9 famous for going faster than SVT by a mile.
Ford's future game plan is to add two air compressor to the 2012 GT500. I can't wait to see a twin turbo Gen V C7 proudly produced by General Motors.
GM owns the FI game and NA game.
Ford, you will always loose a race next to a Chevy.
I conclude this massive ownage.
FoMoCo can't build a fast NA car. 5.0s will forever be a piece of ****. **** the Terminator and GT4500 BS. Eaton made SVT famous, not Ford! If i were a 03/04 'bra owner id wear a "ported" Eaton shirt over a Ford SVT shirt. Ford engines need an air compressor to produce power because the factory motor is not small
. You can't even stroke and bore a Modular motor past a 351 to my knowledge. **** you could build a 511 LSX motor. Thats 160 more cubic inches!I am just tired of people disrespecting the NA motor. There is a huge difference between the NA and FI game. If you were to look under the hood of a 2002 WS6 and a 03/04 'bra, which engine would you choose to win a race if you didn't no **** about cars? The 03/04 'bra of course because you would automatically assume that the car with the blower is faster than the car without one... FI motors should logically produce more power than a NA engines. However, what could be hiding underneath the hood of the WS6 is a monster 14:1 SR 454 LSX on race gas. You could just lie to the 'bra owner and just say its a cammed LS1. They couldn't tell a difference. Thats the beauty of the LS-Series. Henry Ford rolls over in his grave every night because cammed LS engines awake him and scare the **** out of him. FoMoCo knows they fucked up leaving the NA game. The 2011 GT is their answer.
But owners are going to install FI kits on their 2011 GTs and completely disrespect the NA game again. Fords need boost to go fast. You cannot logically disagree with that statement.
For the next 50 years Ford will behind in the NA game. Hold on wait, they still have their prized fast blower cars. If you want to build a decent blower car, call up GM and they will build you your very own LSA/9 car. Tons of people are making 700 plus to the wheels on a factory LS3. Can you imagine the power you could make on a factory LS9? I want GMMP to produce a LS9 short block.
The OHV LS9 made the DOHC supercharged 5.4 its bitch. I bet both cost very similar. Eaton made SVT famous for going fast. Eaton made the LS9 famous for going faster than SVT by a mile.
Ford's future game plan is to add two air compressor to the 2012 GT500. I can't wait to see a twin turbo Gen V C7 proudly produced by General Motors.
GM owns the FI game and NA game.
Ford, you will always loose a race next to a Chevy.
I conclude this massive ownage.
You have some valid points in what you wrote, however, your arrogant/elitist attitude about the whole deal is unnecessary. 
11-12-2009, 05:18 PM
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Yeah, I think a lot of us old schoolers (i started reading around early 2003 before I joined, and i don't come close to people who have been members since 01) all agree we have seen this.
it shows in full force in this thread though LOL.
it shows in full force in this thread though LOL.
11-12-2009, 05:37 PM
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imo getting rid of the windsor motors was kind of the downfall for everything, don't get me wrong if i had the money to build a teksid motor and turbo it i would but i don't have that kinda moolah or hell even a termi swap would suffice nicely, the aftermarket is huge for them and you can almost go to any junkyard and find parts. I daily drove my 347 cobra for almost 3 years and couldn't have asked for a more reliable car it got me to school, work, church and was a friday warrior at the track. In the end isn't that what everyone wants out of a car regardless of what brand it is?
oh yeah texasZ change your tampon buddy
oh yeah texasZ change your tampon buddy
11-12-2009, 06:09 PM
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Sure hp is great, I just mis the days when you could buy a base model v8 sports car for low 20's, and this was killed in the early 2000's. My cars usually don't stay stock for long so I look more into the modding ability.
Expect the 2011 GT to be upwards of 35 grand with basic options.
With OHV's those numbers are possible. With the subtraction of lifters you save allot of valve train mass, and don't have to worry about colapsed lifters during high rev's. Wonder what the flow will look like on those heads when compared to the fr500? Just trying to figure out the big jump in power.
Would like to see the engine dyno also, I'm more interested in the power under the curve rather than peak power. Also where the torque curve peaks out. Also where they added the displacement from, stroke, bore, and so forth. Is it running dual TB's?
Expect the 2011 GT to be upwards of 35 grand with basic options.
With OHV's those numbers are possible. With the subtraction of lifters you save allot of valve train mass, and don't have to worry about colapsed lifters during high rev's. Wonder what the flow will look like on those heads when compared to the fr500? Just trying to figure out the big jump in power.
Would like to see the engine dyno also, I'm more interested in the power under the curve rather than peak power. Also where the torque curve peaks out. Also where they added the displacement from, stroke, bore, and so forth. Is it running dual TB's?
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11-12-2009, 06:55 PM
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11-12-2009, 11:01 PM
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The curb weight of the GT (coupe 3533 lbs) is several hundred pounds lighter than the GT 500 (coupe 3920). The coyote will be an aluminum mill, not an iron block like the mill in the GT 500, so weight should stay down. FYI, there are guys running 12.0s in bone stock 2010 GT500s on stock tires, and several in the mid 11s bone stock w/slicks* I find it possible a mustang GT with the coyote mill could run 11s in stock form. There are rumors that the GT500 will get an aluminum block for 2011, that will be worth a few lbs!!
11-12-2009, 11:03 PM
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None of this really matters because the Camaro will still be on top. They have already confirmed the Z28 with 550 HP.
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/7864...awa/index.html
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/7864...awa/index.html
11-12-2009, 11:11 PM
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Dude the 435 hp barely runs 12vs so what will the 550 do 12.20's please...
None of this really matters because the Camaro will still be on top. They have already confirmed the Z28 with 550 HP.
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/7864...awa/index.html
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/7864...awa/index.html
11-14-2009, 04:48 AM
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Not as big as you if you buy the car! JeaneZ28;12499268]The main reason their making it is to compete GT500 why would they make it slower. If you think 120hp will gain less then 0.7 seconds you must be an idiot.[/QUOTE]
11-14-2009, 11:02 AM
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I called you an idiot because you made a comment that made no sense. Telling me if I buy a Z28 I'm an idiot just makes you look even more dumb. So if you dont want be called an idiot dont make dumbass comments.