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From: Trollin DFW Texas
Anyone remember this? I always thought it was ugly as hell, but damn was it fast.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...k-Version.aspx
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...k-Version.aspx
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From: Joshua Texas
Yea, I thought I was on a LS1 site, not a "we love the gayest import we can find site", but maybe its you on the wrong site? Personaly, just because of weight transfer a fwd is a bad chioice. Its a stupid, worthless design that should have never been put to use on an automobile. I mean, if you lose traction and spin the tires, you cant steer, how worthless is that? In a rear drive you just countersteer. AWD I can find usefull, but Ive never been able to find one reason that fwd is in use. And if you think that because Im a Redneck, Im a buy American or f-off kind guy, I think anyone who would buy an antiquated, overpriced POS Hardley Ableson over a cheaper, more reliable, faster, better quality import bike is an idiot. Just my opinion though, backed by over 400,000 miles on bikes, 200,000 on harleys. Same way with front drives, plenty of miles in them, but I have had an accident that I would have been able to avoid in a rear drive, along with the costs of maintaining the IFS front over a straight axle rear, there are plenty of reasons that front drive is dumb. Just my opinion, but come on, a huge gay wing on the front of the car? LOL, just because it works (a little) doesnt mean thats how it should be done. I guess they will figure it out after he wrecks and the wing rips off and kills someone.
Oh, and an FYI, just because a car was sponsored doesnt mean that no one paid for the upgrades. Its still a huge waste of money for not much gain. With the money they have in that thing, they could be racing an F1 car 100mph faster. At least the F1 car's front wing is on the ground, out of the drivers line of site.
Oh, and an FYI, just because a car was sponsored doesnt mean that no one paid for the upgrades. Its still a huge waste of money for not much gain. With the money they have in that thing, they could be racing an F1 car 100mph faster. At least the F1 car's front wing is on the ground, out of the drivers line of site.
Yea, I thought I was on a LS1 site, not a "we love the gayest import we can find site", but maybe its you on the wrong site? Personaly, just because of weight transfer a fwd is a bad chioice. Its a stupid, worthless design that should have never been put to use on an automobile. I mean, if you lose traction and spin the tires, you cant steer, how worthless is that? In a rear drive you just countersteer. AWD I can find usefull, but Ive never been able to find one reason that fwd is in use. And if you think that because Im a Redneck, Im a buy American or f-off kind guy, I think anyone who would buy an antiquated, overpriced POS Hardley Ableson over a cheaper, more reliable, faster, better quality import bike is an idiot. Just my opinion though, backed by over 400,000 miles on bikes, 200,000 on harleys. Same way with front drives, plenty of miles in them, but I have had an accident that I would have been able to avoid in a rear drive, along with the costs of maintaining the IFS front over a straight axle rear, there
you DO realize that alot of RWD cars now are IRS or the same as "IFS"
example: corvettes and GTO's.
what about aerodynamics? lol that's the whole point. its creates downforce to drive the FWD tires into the pavement. and if you'd watch the video you'd see its not hendering line of sight....
functionality>cosmetics.
commons sense>ignorance.
have you read or watched the video?
what about aerodynamics? lol that's the whole point. its creates downforce to drive the FWD tires into the pavement. and if you'd watch the video you'd see its not hendering line of sight....
functionality>cosmetics.
commons sense>ignorance.
what about aerodynamics? lol that's the whole point. its creates downforce to drive the FWD tires into the pavement. and if you'd watch the video you'd see its not hendering line of sight....
functionality>cosmetics.
commons sense>ignorance.
Nope, I'm at work so I haven't watched the video.
I understand downforce, do you? The creation of downforce by passive devices almost always can only be achieved at the cost of increased aerodynamic drag (or friction), and the optimum setup is almost always a compromise between the two.
Downforce does not equal aerodynamics
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Lol
Nope, I'm at work so I haven't watched the video.
I understand downforce, do you? The creation of downforce by passive devices almost always can only be achieved at the cost of increased aerodynamic drag (or friction), and the optimum setup is almost always a compromise between the two.
Downforce does not equal aerodynamics
Nope, I'm at work so I haven't watched the video.
I understand downforce, do you? The creation of downforce by passive devices almost always can only be achieved at the cost of increased aerodynamic drag (or friction), and the optimum setup is almost always a compromise between the two.
Downforce does not equal aerodynamics
downforce is created by aerodynamics. the spoiler is just a miniature airfoil. on a plane, you position the foil in such a way that it would create lift, so the plane can fly. the principle still holds true in this situation, except that the foil is positioned to create downforce and by default, drag. i used to deal with this **** back when i was an aerospace major(ive since changed). used to play with wind tunnels and stuff.
its clear you dont understand downforce, seeing as you basically reiterated his point. it is quite obvious, though, that you have a firm grasp on plagiarising wikipedia
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From: Joshua Texas
I dont like IRS cars either. Maybe its the years of rock crawling, but I like the simple, strong, reliable alternative. I blew swing axles and IRS out from under VW bug's with little 4 bangers and just a little turbo, so its not something I trust with 1000+hp. I know it can be built up, but its still cheaper and easier with a straight axle.
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From: Joshua Texas
If you have been on many tracks yourself you would understand. That track was pretty flat, wait until its on a track with banked and off camber turns. I can see the wing blocking your line of site out of an off camber chicane. Throw in a bunch of elevation change, and its in the way at some point in time.
I dont like IRS cars either. Maybe its the years of rock crawling, but I like the simple, strong, reliable alternative. I blew swing axles and IRS out from under VW bug's with little 4 bangers and just a little turbo, so its not something I trust with 1000+hp. I know it can be built up, but its still cheaper and easier with a straight axle.
Anyone remember this? I always thought it was ugly as hell, but damn was it fast.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...k-Version.aspx
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...k-Version.aspx
This thread is full of stupid.
Redneck2 is the captain of team stupid.
Why do you bring up an issue of cost at the end when you can obviously tell that cost is no issue?
I suppose I need to go inform the guys out there in Formula 1 that they need to get those Ford 9" SRA's back under their cars.
Redneck2 is the captain of team stupid.
Why do you bring up an issue of cost at the end when you can obviously tell that cost is no issue?
I suppose I need to go inform the guys out there in Formula 1 that they need to get those Ford 9" SRA's back under their cars.
This thread is full of stupid.
Redneck2 is the captain of team stupid.
Why do you bring up an issue of cost at the end when you can obviously tell that cost is no issue?
I suppose I need to go inform the guys out there in Formula 1 that they need to get those Ford 9" SRA's back under their cars.
Redneck2 is the captain of team stupid.
Why do you bring up an issue of cost at the end when you can obviously tell that cost is no issue?
I suppose I need to go inform the guys out there in Formula 1 that they need to get those Ford 9" SRA's back under their cars.
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From: Joshua Texas
I know there are upsides, and there are compromises too. Just about any road racing, and lots of off road racing has gone with independant. The comment about the sra was supposed to be that I preffer them, I was recomending a rear drive in any form over the front drive with a gay *** wing on the front. If the car was all wheel drive without the aforementioned wing, it would be pretty cool.
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From: Joshua Texas
This thread is full of stupid.
Redneck2 is the captain of team stupid.
Why do you bring up an issue of cost at the end when you can obviously tell that cost is no issue?
I suppose I need to go inform the guys out there in Formula 1 that they need to get those Ford 9" SRA's back under their cars.
Redneck2 is the captain of team stupid.
Why do you bring up an issue of cost at the end when you can obviously tell that cost is no issue?
I suppose I need to go inform the guys out there in Formula 1 that they need to get those Ford 9" SRA's back under their cars.