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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 03:59 PM
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 04:00 PM
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Stupid is wasting time racing a front drive. Stupid is also putting a big blade on the front of a car that could easily be ripped off in a wreck and cause problems.
F1 cars basically are meant to blow into a million pieces yet keep the cockpit safe... I guess they are stupid to...
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If the car was all wheel drive without the aforementioned wing, it would be pretty cool.
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Type: 2010 Scion tC
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 04:03 PM
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F1 cars basically are meant to blow into a million pieces yet keep the cockpit safe... I guess they are stupid to...
You shut the hell up with your logic!!!
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Redneck2
Stupid is wasting time racing a front drive. Stupid is also putting a big blade on the front of a car that could easily be ripped off in a wreck and cause problems.

Stupid is your inability to wrap your mind about what is being done with a car in a class that has allowed him to garner success.

I am sure you thought the 70's in Formula 1 was a gigantic waste of time as well when cars like the Tyrell P-34 were running around the track:

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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 04:06 PM
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F1 cars basically are meant to blow into a million pieces yet keep the cockpit safe... I guess they are stupid to...
They arent spending that kind of money, and stuck at around 140mph. Those are purpose built race cars, built to be the fastest of the fast in any weather over some insane tracks/ courses. At the speeds they hit, its pretty hard to protect a driver. My point is why do that much with THAT car. I can see a bolt on racing class that shows that their car can be sporty and somewhat cool, but what is the point of trying to run that chassis that hard?
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 78novacaine
Ask and you shall recieve:

http://www.world-racing.com/AugustWS2010pr%20.html

Type: 2010 Scion tC
Engine: Descendant 2AZ-FE Factory Scion tC 4 cylinder
Transmission: Weismann Transmissions + Lockers
Suspension: Penske Racing Shocks
Rear End: Winter's Quik-Change
Brakes: Brembo Race
BHP: 1,400+
TQ: 1,000+
Weight: 2205 lbs. w/ 160lb driver + fluids

That I could see spending the time with. All wheel drive makes sense on a track. Even more so with 1000+hp. And the front wing isnt in the way anymore.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 05:00 PM
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Personaly, just because of weight transfer a fwd is a bad chioice. Its a stupid, worthless design that should have never been put to use on an automobile. I mean, if you lose traction and spin the tires, you cant steer, how worthless is that?

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The two main advantages of a front-wheel drivetrain are fuel efficiency and traction. In a front-wheel drive vehicle, the engine and differential are located in the front end. The engine filters all of its power through the differential into the front wheels, which creates a pulling effect. As Popularmechanics.com notes, this type of vehicle has less weight in the back, and is usually smaller, due to most major parts being located under the hood. This produces a more fuel-efficient vehicle.

Since most of a front-wheel drive vehicle's weight is in the front, it will have better traction in poor weather conditions.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 05:09 PM
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Traction as an advantage of fwd? That was a long ago debunked myth. Weight transfer more than eliminates the benefit of more of the vehicles weight being over the front wheels, with the exception of being on ice. With the additional downside of loss of steering if the tires are spinning.
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Originally Posted by Redneck2
Traction as an advantage of fwd? That was a long ago debunked myth. Weight transfer more than eliminates the benefit of more of the vehicles weight being over the front wheels, with the exception of being on ice. With the additional downside of loss of steering if the tires are spinning.
Debunked by who?

Remember, not everyone lives their life a quarter mile at a time. I don't think the article gives the FWD platform the traction advantage when increasing speed, but under poor weather conditions during normal part throttle cruising. You don't have to be accelerating to lose traction, in whch case there is no weight transfer.

Speaking of weight transfer, would the FWD platform have the advantage when braking?
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KCS
Debunked by who?

Remember, not everyone lives their life a quarter mile at a time. I don't think the article gives the FWD platform the traction advantage when increasing speed, but under poor weather conditions during normal part throttle cruising. You don't have to be accelerating to lose traction, in whch case there is no weight transfer.

Speaking of weight transfer, would the FWD platform have the advantage when braking?
I did mention that the only place a fwd excells is ice. Water just takes smooth driving. And, Im a lead foot, I always accelerate away quickly from a stop. I notice more wheelspin more often in FWD's. Plus, front drives dont turn if you lose traction. You lose the front and slide off the road. In a rear drive, I can counter steer because my steering tires arent spinning. They may be slightly less likely to lose traction, but the outcome if you do is worse.

Drive wheels shouldnt dictate braking performance, the balance of the car, brakes, overall weight, bla bla bla, is what matters. Compression braking may play a small part, but then again, I count on the rear dragging a little into turns. Dont think I would like the compression braking coming from the front. Seems like a good way to slide out braking hard and downshifting coming into a turn.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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don't mind me, just trolling through.
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My point is why do that much with THAT car. I can see a bolt on racing class that shows that their car can be sporty and somewhat cool, but what is the point of trying to run that chassis that hard?
Because they can thats why.
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