The NFL
Some of you guys really don't seem to understand - the players aren't employees... they're contractors and they have ALWAYS been entitled to more than 50% of the profits - the Owners are trying to lessen that amount. This isn't like you going to your boss and demanding a raise; to try and make that correlation is asinine.
You are also correct in that demanding a raise is not the same... I did not state that. I said demand 50% of their profits.
What makes the players entitled to more than 50% of the profits?
EDIT: Players are treated as employees of their respective teams....
http://www.prosportstax.com/Images/A...1f78e0a858.pdf
Page 2, right under the question "How are NFL Players Taxed?"
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WTF! Is anyone as pissed as I am about the lockout? I want to see some damn training camp footage already!!!
What are you all's thoughts on the lockout? And has anyone heard anything that seems like they are even remotely close to coming to an agreement? I lost interest in the whole thing a few months back...
WTF!!!
What are you all's thoughts on the lockout? And has anyone heard anything that seems like they are even remotely close to coming to an agreement? I lost interest in the whole thing a few months back...
WTF!!!
The lockout will be over prior to the end of the month, so camps will probably be shortened by a couple of weeks or so. The season will probably start on time or maybe a week late.
Thats exactly what I am saying.... cut their pay and lower ticket prices for the fans to freaking enjoy the game. otherwise ill be at home watching Nascar race reruns rooting for Ricky Bobby....
Unions just need to go away. There was a time and place for them in the past, but now they are just driven by greed and profit, not for the benefit of their members.
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
Unions just need to go away. There was a time and place for them in the past, but now they are just driven by greed and profit, not for the benefit of their members.
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
As an example, WSJ and Fortune have both had articles about how companies are already planning on dropping their healthcare benefits, paying fines, and making their employees get on Obama Care. Do you think people are going to see any of those savings in their pay? Nope, and it is in effect a paycut.
Greed and corruption are on both sides.
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Another thing, im ready to move down to Texas cause most of you all down there got it right. Im sick of this communist forced union **** up here man. I just want my god givin free rights. Once again...**** the NFL and unions
Unions just need to go away. There was a time and place for them in the past, but now they are just driven by greed and profit, not for the benefit of their members.
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
You got it all right
Iv been a yankees fan all my life but the things I know no a days, I will never buy another jersey or hat to support any of this greed. I was just telling my gf the other day that I think ill should start supporting a team from Texas like the Rangers. I told her I would rather give my money to a state who deserves it.
Unions just need to go away. There was a time and place for them in the past, but now they are just driven by greed and profit, not for the benefit of their members.
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
These NFL players are entertainers, we fans are paying to watch them to play a game. We buy their jerseys and hats, waste untold hours in front of a TV, and read about them. They earn millions doing something each and every one of us would quit our own jobs to go do - probably at our current salaries. The union likes to mention this nonsense about NFL player retirement stuff, which pisses me off. Here is a solution, SAVE a couple million that you just made last year, and quit living like a PIMP. Boom, you have your retirement fund. The rest of the country works 50+ years to earn that "extra" million+ to retire. These guys do it in 6 months. I don't have any sympathy for the poor millionaires that haven't learned to save for the future. Boo frickin hoo!
While unions are quite corrupt and greedy (much like the government), I don't trust in the kindness of shareholders, CEO's, or business owners to keep my best interest as an employee in their decisions.
As an example, WSJ and Fortune have both had articles about how companies are already planning on dropping their healthcare benefits, paying fines, and making their employees get on Obama Care. Do you think people are going to see any of those savings in their pay? Nope, and it is in effect a paycut.
Greed and corruption are on both sides.
As an example, WSJ and Fortune have both had articles about how companies are already planning on dropping their healthcare benefits, paying fines, and making their employees get on Obama Care. Do you think people are going to see any of those savings in their pay? Nope, and it is in effect a paycut.
Greed and corruption are on both sides.
While unions are quite corrupt and greedy (much like the government), I don't trust in the kindness of shareholders, CEO's, or business owners to keep my best interest as an employee in their decisions.
As an example, WSJ and Fortune have both had articles about how companies are already planning on dropping their healthcare benefits, paying fines, and making their employees get on Obama Care. Do you think people are going to see any of those savings in their pay? Nope, and it is in effect a paycut.
Greed and corruption are on both sides.
As an example, WSJ and Fortune have both had articles about how companies are already planning on dropping their healthcare benefits, paying fines, and making their employees get on Obama Care. Do you think people are going to see any of those savings in their pay? Nope, and it is in effect a paycut.
Greed and corruption are on both sides.
If there is no NFL season. There will be $100s of millions of dollars lost and ppl out of jobs. Just think of all the bookies out there. The only time I play is college and NFL..
Unions breed nothing but lazyness, period. 100 years ago they did something, now they just allow people to have an excuse to sit on their ***. Being in construction I get to see it all the time. I can immediately tell when Im on a union job, everyone is sitting around, the job is behind schedule and no one could care less.
Luckily here in Texas unions are on their way out for the most part. About the only thing left union down here is electrical, very little mechanical or plumbing. The only jobs the union companies get are federal and state jobs with few exceptions here in Austin.
Being a structural inspector I don't have to deal with the mep trades much but when I do for fire/safety stuff its always fun. Every once in a while I'll get ahold of someone who cares but for the most part its a battle. It usually ends pretty bad for them though since fire/safety is on the 3rd party verification list for the city of Austin so they have to listen to me whether they like it or not
Being a structural inspector I don't have to deal with the mep trades much but when I do for fire/safety stuff its always fun. Every once in a while I'll get ahold of someone who cares but for the most part its a battle. It usually ends pretty bad for them though since fire/safety is on the 3rd party verification list for the city of Austin so they have to listen to me whether they like it or not
It amazes me how many people support the owners on this thing. It is difficult to compare this to any other situation. The players have a right to set their value, just like any other contractor would. The owners are the issue here. They are making money hand over fist, but want another billion or so.
The players do pay for the stadiums. They pay for more of them then most of us do, because they are taxpayers also.
I am not a union fan at all, but I don't support what the owners are doing. they want more money from the players, not to lower prices or to make it more affordable for the average fan, but to put more money in their pockets. They get to operate above the laws that bind almost every other business in this country, and still want more. If they were to take that extra money and pay all of their employees more, that would be a different story, but they won't.
None of this really matters, though, as the deal is 99.5% done, and will be complete by the end of next week.
The players do pay for the stadiums. They pay for more of them then most of us do, because they are taxpayers also.
I am not a union fan at all, but I don't support what the owners are doing. they want more money from the players, not to lower prices or to make it more affordable for the average fan, but to put more money in their pockets. They get to operate above the laws that bind almost every other business in this country, and still want more. If they were to take that extra money and pay all of their employees more, that would be a different story, but they won't.
None of this really matters, though, as the deal is 99.5% done, and will be complete by the end of next week.
It amazes me how many people support the owners on this thing. It is difficult to compare this to any other situation. The players have a right to set their value, just like any other contractor would. The owners are the issue here. They are making money hand over fist, but want another billion or so.
Players can set their value to whatever they want, this does not mean that they are entitled to the owners profits.
I am not a union fan at all, but I don't support what the owners are doing. they want more money from the players, not to lower prices or to make it more affordable for the average fan, but to put more money in their pockets. They get to operate above the laws that bind almost every other business in this country, and still want more. If they were to take that extra money and pay all of their employees more, that would be a different story, but they won't.
#2- which employees should get paid more? The football players making millions of dollars a year or the people providing concessions to fans? Its hard to pay people more when the majority of your payroll is taken up by the fellas standing on the sideline on Sundays.
The only way ticket prices go down is if PLAYERS pay goes down. I dont ever see that happening.
Ill believe it when I see it.
Luckily here in Texas unions are on their way out for the most part. About the only thing left union down here is electrical, very little mechanical or plumbing. The only jobs the union companies get are federal and state jobs with few exceptions here in Austin.
Being a structural inspector I don't have to deal with the mep trades much but when I do for fire/safety stuff its always fun. Every once in a while I'll get ahold of someone who cares but for the most part its a battle. It usually ends pretty bad for them though since fire/safety is on the 3rd party verification list for the city of Austin so they have to listen to me whether they like it or not
Being a structural inspector I don't have to deal with the mep trades much but when I do for fire/safety stuff its always fun. Every once in a while I'll get ahold of someone who cares but for the most part its a battle. It usually ends pretty bad for them though since fire/safety is on the 3rd party verification list for the city of Austin so they have to listen to me whether they like it or not