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Old May 14, 2012 | 10:25 AM
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I am getting ready to move into a house, and it has a 2-carport garage that I am going to try to enclose it so I will have a place to put my car when it comes out of the shop. I have attached a pic for reference, and wanted to know what my options were on material to use, etc.

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Old May 14, 2012 | 08:24 PM
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Enclose it with tin. Although I think you are going to need some bracing to help it support wind loads regardless of what you use.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 08:40 PM
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sleepersilverado - I agree.
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Rip that down, frame some walls, sheath it, and have a full on garage. It would cost a bit more, but in the long run would probably be worth it and would increase property value.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 10:42 PM
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Shouldn't be to hard to frame up some walls around it.
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Enclose it with tin. Although I think you are going to need some bracing to help it support wind loads regardless of what you use.
the distance between the sides to the middle is 14 ft. I was thinking about putting another pole in the middle. I'm kind of on a budget, so what would be the best, not necessarily the cheapest? I don't necessarily want to tear it down and start over.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 1965GP
Shouldn't be to hard to frame up some walls around it.
any suggestions on what I should use to frame up the walls?
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:08 PM
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Why not just build up a liitle on the sides using 2by4's and use tarp to make walls?

Something like these http://www.portablegarageshelter.com/tarp-garages/
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:18 PM
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because I was going to create a ramp of sorts with gravel or something on the far right, then get some hinges and make a swinging door so I could pull it out and lock it up when it was inside....
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Can you post pics of the metal frame structure? My first thought is to use metal studs sideways (perpendicular to how you would usually install them) for the corrugated sheet metal to screw into.

If you want a door my suggestion would be to build a center post for the doors to mount to- then have two sets of swing out barn door style gates.

How sturdy is it? You don't want to spend $1000 on this when for $800 you can get one of those sheet metal structures they sell on I -45.
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Old May 15, 2012 | 06:31 AM
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I would sell it and start over, it looks like just one of those cheap car ports and I don't think those posts would support a door.
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Old May 15, 2012 | 09:24 AM
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Not only that but the roof looks like it has no incline to let water run off when it rains, that weight plus the wait of the walls built around it, plus the swinging doors would not be supported by that small of a gauge
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In that case, is this in your budget?
http://freshome.com/2010/09/30/luxur...arage-parking/
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Old May 15, 2012 | 04:54 PM
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Can you post pics of the metal frame structure? My first thought is to use metal studs sideways (perpendicular to how you would usually install them) for the corrugated sheet metal to screw into.

If you want a door my suggestion would be to build a center post for the doors to mount to- then have two sets of swing out barn door style gates.

How sturdy is it? You don't want to spend $1000 on this when for $800 you can get one of those sheet metal structures they sell on I -45.
I agree with all of these points. You need to know what the existing posts are made of. Aluminum won't hold the doors. Use a magnet to see if they are steel.

I think the enclosed version of the carports you see for $800 run around $2500, with an overhead door.
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Old May 15, 2012 | 07:47 PM
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As an Architect, you need to disclose a few more details:

What are the existing car port materials and the condition of those components?

What is the condition of the existing slab? It looks like a simple slab-on-grade. Also, is the slab reinforced and rated at 3000psi (the minimum required by code) in order for a structure to be allowed to go vertical? Also, needs to be a minimum of 6" thick.

Also, is securing a permit required to have an 'enclosed' structure constructed? If so, what requirements might need to be met? A call to your local city building inspector would be fine. Also, need to know if there are any building codes you might have to meet.

As stated above, I would suggest light guage metal stud framing with proper cross bracing for wind shear loads. Any additional beams, beam span depth would need to be at minimum 1/2 the length of the desired span. Additional vertical columns would need to be of sufficient size to support beams and other deadload loads. This is why a proper slab is critical.

I could go on and on, but then people would bitch that I'm over thinking such a simple thing. At times, it's anything but simple.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
As an Architect, you need to disclose a few more details:

What are the existing car port materials and the condition of those components?

What is the condition of the existing slab? It looks like a simple slab-on-grade. Also, is the slab reinforced and rated at 3000psi (the minimum required by code) in order for a structure to be allowed to go vertical? Also, needs to be a minimum of 6" thick.

Also, is securing a permit required to have an 'enclosed' structure constructed? If so, what requirements might need to be met? A call to your local city building inspector would be fine. Also, need to know if there are any building codes you might have to meet.

As stated above, I would suggest light guage metal stud framing with proper cross bracing for wind shear loads. Any additional beams, beam span depth would need to be at minimum 1/2 the length of the desired span. Additional vertical columns would need to be of sufficient size to support beams and other deadload loads. This is why a proper slab is critical.

I could go on and on, but then people would bitch that I'm over thinking such a simple thing. At times, it's anything but simple.

Good luck.
Its a simple residential garage..... The loading does not require it be to 6"+, this is for residential, there is no code that mandates slab thickness. If it would be in the county for most places in Texas, they would only require a plumbing permit, if that. By scale it looks like the structure is roughly 24' or so wise and whatever deep. If you break this in to (2) bays with a beam at the left wall, middle point, and right wall wall, you can use a W10x12 for spans up to 20' and 6" x 14 gauge purlins the opposite direction at 4'-5' O.C, with R panel sheathing for the roof. The walls are 10' or less is appears. So you would use 6" purlin wall framing, top height, mid height, and shoot light gauge base angle down to the slab for wall closure.
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Old May 16, 2012 | 06:11 AM
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Talking about it looking flat and since you can't see the end of the panels, I bet it has the built in gutter system to deal with the water, and those normally dump out the bottom of the outside channel. One more issue to consider.
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Old May 16, 2012 | 04:55 PM
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you could put roll up doors on both ends and 2x4 frame it covered with hardy board sheets. I got a roll up on ebay 10years back was like 100$ with door guides
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I think my roll us were 550 each- but that is a good idea. You could almost build a stand alone door frame and all thread it in the concrete.
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Originally Posted by seancarole
you could put roll up doors on both ends and 2x4 frame it covered with hardy board sheets. I got a roll up on ebay 10years back was like 100$ with door guides
Hardy board and 2x4s is much more expensive than light gauge steel framing and R panel.
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Can't tell from the pic, I would tear that down, pour a slab and 2x4 with metal siding.. Roll up door, or you could make a swing door out of plywood.

Def concrete though.. Laying on crushed rock sucks!
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