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iTrader: (24)

that camaro rev'd so lazy

99CamVanillaTop

iTrader: (2)

Who is "You People"? IMO chevy never made **** that handled that wasnt a Corvette and even then in the past it wasnt setting records. Now the Cts-v, Zl1, Zr1, and all the base models of these are above average track competitors.

1ltcap

trust me when i tell ya that there's plenty that ford put out that even us ford nuts don't like.

S1LV3R

iTrader: (5)

If Chevy made the ZL1 with 650+hp and priced around 55-60k who would buy a ZR1? Ford doesn't have this problem. This is their top of the line performance car. Guess Chevy could give the Vette 700+hp as to not hurt Vette lover's feelings? I don't see this happening and would expect the ZL1 to continue to be an "under performer" compared to the GT500.

T-Top

Makes sense.

89ThirdGenCamaro3310

Sadly this will probably stay true, the Vette being Chevy's flagship they have always been wary of keeping the Camaro from encroaching on Vette territory performance wise.

99CamVanillaTop

iTrader: (2)

I agree with all of this but what "IF" Chevy raised the ZR1 bar even higher....say 800HP??? Then there would be room to move

But sadly that probably wont happen anytime soon.

89ThirdGenCamaro3310

I could see this being possible maybe with the C7 coming up, cuz lets face it HP numbers sells cars. But if you look at the LFA Nurburgring edition its only making 562HP and its the fastest street legal car around "the ring". But i am curious to see how far GM will push the vette in terms of HP.

T-Top

Do you guys ever wonder if Chevy engineers get on the forums and read about what their customers want? Because raising the bar on the vette and giving the Camaro room to grow IS WHAT WE WANT. And make the camaro lighter too while you're at it..

89ThirdGenCamaro3310

It makes me wonder how they can put so much effort into making the ZL1 handle yet it comes off the assembly line weighing as much as it does. Just literally blows my mind, i wonder what they all said to the engineer who asked "you guys think this thing is a little too heavy?".

1ltcap

who would buy the zr1? the very same people that would buy it now.

1ltcap

according to this site......
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Chevrol...mph-Times.html

the 69 zl1 ran 11.6 1/4 miles. there are no vettes from the 60's shown touching that.

BizZzatch350

iTrader: (33)

The GT500 is still making more power to the rear wheels than even the mighty ZR1 is.

S1LV3R

iTrader: (5)

Not sure if you're just trying to argue, but my point is that, rationally, I would think that most people would steer towards a car that is half the price with similar performance. It just doesn't make since for the same manufacturer to "under cut" it's own brand.

1ltcap

i'm honestly not trying to just argue. i truly believe that the corvette buyer will still buy a corvette, regardless of the power output of the camaro. i don't think price is much of a consideration to those that are in a position to afford a top of the line vette.

89ThirdGenCamaro3310

This could be true, but wouldnt it look bad to the Vette buyer if they are getting smoked by a Camaro that sold for half the price they paid for the top of the line Vette? I cant imagine it not hurting Vette sales, and lets face it these company only care about profits. Anyone know off hand what the next closest Mustang performed in regards to the Ford GT?

T-Top

^ I'm partial to believing this as well. Look at an ls1 f body compared to a same year vette. Same motor but they tuned it back so the camaro wasn't as quick correct? Or am I just making crap up? Seems like a similar situation today.

5w20

iTrader: (21)

It happened 98-00 with the LS1. The corvette and the camaro shared the same engine. There was no ZR1 or Z06 then.


Performance wouldn't be close with the Camaro having to lug around ~800lbs more.




The current ZL1 can not, and will not, touch the 13' GT500 in performance. Handling is a retarded subject to bring up. The majority of the people that buy these type of cars don't go around courses with turns.

S1LV3R

iTrader: (5)

I understand your point about the 98-00 cars and this is true. This would probably apply from the late 80's(TPI) to the present with the F platform being slightly behind on getting the new motors/drive trains for the most part. When they put the LS motor in the 98 Fbody's, Chevy thought about hurting sales or they wouldn't have rated the Vette at 345hp and the F cars at 305hp. I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to convey though. I was referring to the "special" cars ZR1, ZL1 and GT500.

I can't quote exact weights of the Camaros and Corvettes through the years, but I think it would be a safe bet that the Corvette was/is typically lighter and would perform better with the same motor. So for arguments sake if the ZL1 were to have the same power as the ZR1 would the ~800lbs less weight of the ZR1 be worth an additional 50K? For most purchasing a ZL1 I think it wouldn't be a deal breaker.

Agreed on the ZL1 not competing with GT500.

LOL

fly pantera

iTrader: (9)

exactly what i was thinking,screw the 5th gen camaro....coyote and gt500 are the new bad boys.its like they are the new ls1