texas94z

Coal is being slowly phased out for natural gas. Natural gas is significantly cleaner than coal.

03Sssnake

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Audi is doing some interesting things with regard to fuels, not viable yet, but hopefully in the not so distant future...The Navy is working on making a JP5 jet fuel from seawater as well

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/08/a...arbon-neutral/

DSIM

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You do realise that we are nowhere near that point... Right? Im most certianly isnt going to happen in 4 years of Romney.

The same thing can be said about those car batteries. The mining process is just as destructive as coal.

What? Are we talking about the same entity that STILL hasnt passed a budget?

texas99Z28

Hey BBQ, sounds like you've had your head too close to the grill! Communism DOES NOT WORK! It's a failure everywhere it's been chosen as a form of gov't. Wake up, quit listening to the liberal media!

sleepersilverado

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Last I checked those green cars did not regenerate their own power either, you have to plug them in. Hype hype hype.

RedBaron

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Okay a question for you since you must have paid attention in middle school science class. If the worlds population and energy consumption is constantly growing, and the amount of energy is fixed, how is that sustainable?

409CISecondGen

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Technology increases the efficiency of extracting those resources. When coal runs out it is gone, sunlight won't run out for a few billion years last I checked, and we keep getting better at extracting the energy from the environment.

But yes, I support population controls as well. If there were only a billion humans on earth then there would be much less scarcity and thus people wouldn't be starving. Population control is perhaps the easiest way to increase everyone's quality of life. And that starts through free education and free birth control methods.

Greed4Speed

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Using coal is dirty, but it has cleaned up a lot over the decades. How dirty is battery production and disposal? Care to have more heavy metals in the environment? Someone else hit the nail on the head with the rare earth metals and China. Mining is mining no matter what you are getting whether it is coal or rare earth metals. Not to mention the largest user of coal are power plants. As a nation we are stressing our current amount of power plants, and those "green" batteries are going to require power to charge them that come from.... Yes! A power plant! So more coal will me be used, and more power plants will be needed whether they're gas, coal, or nuke.

I'm fine with keystone. Once its buried, you'll have little evidence that its there. The Trans Alskan pipeline has been around since the 70's, and its above ground. I guarantee the people opposed to pipelines will be among the first to start whining about higher fuel prices. Just like they're usually the ones that bitch first when taxes get raised to support their socialist programs.

And population control? Should we start calling each other "comrad" too? Care to do your part and abstain or off yourself when you get old?

Pwebbz28

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China already tried population control. It made their population very old and with few new taxpayers they were unable to sustain social security. They have since started asking people to have more children so they have more tax payers.

LeanPocket

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speaking of pipelines, its nothing new. Safest most efficient way to transport any liquid or gas, I think i should know, I design them.

LeanPocket

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Thats not including sewer lines, oil pipelines (NG is pictured above), waste water lines, or storm sewer lines. All have to be dug up just like any other pipeline, they all have to be approved by the property owner, all property owners are reimbursed for any current or future damages, and are compensated for every 16.5 feet of pipeline laid into their property. This keystone pipeline is between the contractor (trans canada) and the property owners, and doesnt impact anybody else . If the property owner doesnt want the PL for whatever reason all they have to do is refuse and the contractor will reroute to PL. Happens every single day.

LeanPocket

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the bankruptcy of a company who was given 125 million dollars in less than 2 years should speak volumes of how unprofitable renewables are. This is the 3rd or 4th green energy firm to belly up, its not that renewables arent feasable, its just not a profitable form of energy. Last time I checked, my car relies on oil and gasoline to move, and I'll be damed to be forced to buy a $40k dollar hybrid car (ironically still uses oil and gas to move) that doesnt even suit my needs for my daily life. Force green energy all you want, demonize profits all you want, but you need to be profitable in order to stay in business. They dropped that plant that was suppose to build batteries for the chevy volt, GM cam to the conclusion it was actually cheaper to build a battery over seas, pay to freight it over here via cargo ship, and cheaper to pay the foreign taxes/tarrifs than it is to build it here and ship it via truck.

99FRC

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Sounds like someone spent too much time smoking something in the back of the science class and not enough time in simple economics. If your entire point is based on the assupmtion that non-renewable energy is going to run out and suddenly and surprise the hell out of everyone, causing an economic catastrophy, then that is the worst kind of fear mongering. There's an economic concept called "going concern", which means that corporations or any business for that matter should make plans and conduct their business in a way that would sustain the business for the foreseeable future. Of course it doesn't always work out, but the free economy ensures that other companies fill in to take the place where one has failed and there is still a legitimate business need. That's basic capitalism. To assume that businesses do not invest in future resources and will blindly rush headlong not anticipating the end of a certain resource is just ignorant. Of course that's what communist and socialist proponents want you to believe, that the entire population is too blind, ignorant or incapable to anticipate, make adjustments and innovate solutions to changing conditions and need the government to handle everything for them. The result in EVERY single case is that there develops an elite super wealthy group associated with the ruling government who love the system and lord it over all the other people in the country who become completely dependent upon the government with no resources available to them to dig their way out from the bottom.

hiram007

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^^This. Couldn't have said it any better. As long as people keep complaining about $4ish gas, companies will continue to do business the old fashioned way. The more groups succesfully lobby against it, the more expensive energy becomes. You just can't have it both ways.

As far a green energy, I'm sure at some point in the future it will be profitable and compete with oil and gas. This however, is not happening anytime soon and the more the government keeps investing in failing companies, the longer it will take to reach that point.

sleepersilverado

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Anyone in here can do there part and buy wind energy to power their house, just ask your provider. O and it is going to cost you more per kilowatt BTW so hope you are ok with that.

You can buy a battery car that has a shorter life span than any other vehicle and has to be subsidized to attempt to be affordable.

You can buy solar panels for your house. Did I mention that they have to be subsidized to be affordable and generally don't pay for them selves by the end of their life span?

Why are we not building nuclear power plants?

ALL smoke and mirrors to line the pockets of their buddies.

EDIT: The comment above about the government investing spurred another thought. Why do we allow foreign companies to come here and put up wind turbines and reap the benefits of all our government subsidies which we the tax payers pay for?

When it is all said and done America is not business / manufacturing friendly any more.

409CISecondGen

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You're an idiot if you think advocating population control makes you a communist...

Yea actually, I don't plan on having children. If anything I will adopt. It's a selfish and egotistical gesture when there are so many children who can't get food as it is to add to the problem by wantonly creating more mouths to feed, backs to clothe, and heads to shelter.

So at what point would you advocate population controls? Or maybe you think we should just let it happen via the inevitable wars that will result from an exponentially growing population outgrowing resources?

409CISecondGen

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TOTALLY worked in the past...
namely 2008, 1929...

DSIM

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Someone needs to get their head out of Chomksy's ***.

Egotistical and selfish to want to have my own children with my wife? I counter that it is egotistical and selfish for all those out there who CHOOSE not to use birth control and just pop out kids left and right. Matter of fact, its not the ruling class thats breeding like wild rabbits......

DSIM

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Yea? Hows that US Budget doing? Far as I know, corporations at least have the foresight to do a budget every year to run off of so that they dont spend billions of dollars that they dont have.

409CISecondGen

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Precisely why free birth control should be a human right.

When you have a child you are increasing the number of persons on earth and thus by extension creating more demand, driving up prices, taking away resources from people who are still alive, and driving up costs for everyone, creating more poverty and suffering.

I don't want people to stop having children, I want them to stop having so damn many. 1 Billion is probably a good sustainable number. We have to choose between a high birth rate and a high death rate.