Obama backed A123 battery manufacture declares bankruptcy
10-17-2012, 05:03 PM
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Don't nitpick about my word choice. I wasn't implying birth control or highways could be made magically costless and you know that. You're simply being an obstinate troll.
"Free" meaning making it a burden on society as a whole instead of a burden on the individual because all of society will benefit instead of only those intelligent, mature, and wealthy enough to make it a priority.
"Free" meaning making it a burden on society as a whole instead of a burden on the individual because all of society will benefit instead of only those intelligent, mature, and wealthy enough to make it a priority.
I am not trolling you btw.
10-17-2012, 05:05 PM
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Yes but you and many others like you take the word free and create your own definition for it. What you described has nothing to do with the word free, so, the way I'm interpreting your definition, correct me if I am wrong, That you want all forms of birth control not including infanticide readily available at no cost to the public?
I am not trolling you btw.
I am not trolling you btw.
Also, yes except for abortion. I support the right to have an abortion but ideally I want there to be no abortion in the world except for cases of rape and when the child is most likely going to be born with a defect. If women didn't get pregnant when they don't want to there wouldn't be as many abortions.
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10-17-2012, 05:09 PM
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You are fooling yourself if Government is looking out for [I]your[I/] best interests instead of their short term self-serving profits. Dont believe me? Go ask any elected official to introduce a bill that bans lobbying and see what happens.
What elected official (Government) is going to outlaw the very thing that lines his pockets with cash (profit).
10-17-2012, 05:20 PM
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Somehow, less regulation of business seems counterproductive to your complaints that business is lining the pockets of politicians.
10-17-2012, 07:03 PM
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If something is to be regulated it is the Government, not the business, that should be regulated. Everyone wants to blame business and lobbysts for this problem instead of the people accepting the money for some reason. Remember... every tax loophole, every subsidy, every thing you despise business getting away with is allowed (created) by the Government. I know the decision is swayed due to lobbyists but the final decision is by the elected.
10-17-2012, 07:04 PM
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What I don't want is the short sighted, profit driven free market making all the decisions for me. I certainly don't advocate communism, I'm a left libertarian. I just don't think the free market is the end all solution.
Yes, sometimes it takes institutions with more foresight to plan ahead then corporations: it's called government. Public roads are a testament to that. And yes, in case you didn't pay attention during middle school science class, there are forms of sustainable renewable energy on earth. What is needed to make them accessible is investment and no businesses are willing to make investments that far ahead.
"I don't know, that sounds like communism to me" sounds like fear mongering left over from the cold war being drummed up by a certain political party to me...
Yes, sometimes it takes institutions with more foresight to plan ahead then corporations: it's called government. Public roads are a testament to that. And yes, in case you didn't pay attention during middle school science class, there are forms of sustainable renewable energy on earth. What is needed to make them accessible is investment and no businesses are willing to make investments that far ahead.
"I don't know, that sounds like communism to me" sounds like fear mongering left over from the cold war being drummed up by a certain political party to me...
10-17-2012, 07:54 PM
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The 'bribes' are legal, cant punish someone for no crime. At least I can hold my elected official accountable for not listening and voting in accordance with their constituents desires.
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10-17-2012, 09:22 PM
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I certainly understand if that's your position, but that that doesn't solve corruption in government. That simply reduces the effects. And it increases the extent to which corporations can exploit the people for profit.
To solve corruption without reducing the good things government provides you simply need more regulation of corporations who attempt to influence it. By regulating how much money politicians can accept you can make them beholden to their voting constituents again and not businesses who bankrolled their campaign. You said you can "hold my elected official accountable for not listening and voting in accordance with their constituents desires." But you can't really, you can write him a letter but as a private citizen you do not wield enough influence to convince him to vote in favor of his constituents when he can vote in favor of the corporation who can pay to convince his constituents to vote for him. Regulation of business returns the disproportionate political power wielded by private corporations back to the public.
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10-17-2012, 10:01 PM
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Fighting over 2 puppets for the global elite. Wonderful.
This country has gone to hell in a hand basket and we havent seen anything yet. Have fun fighting over your 2 front men for the 2 party dictatorship funded by globalists, big farma, and the banks. Your freedom and sovereignty are being sent down the river.
When the dollar is finally collapsed, martial law is here, and world government is put into place...just remember the crazy old man speaking of ending the fed, the gold standard and the constitution. What a crazy old man heh. Have fun watching the puppet/sheep show while behind the curtain the elite collapse the USA.
This country has gone to hell in a hand basket and we havent seen anything yet. Have fun fighting over your 2 front men for the 2 party dictatorship funded by globalists, big farma, and the banks. Your freedom and sovereignty are being sent down the river.
When the dollar is finally collapsed, martial law is here, and world government is put into place...just remember the crazy old man speaking of ending the fed, the gold standard and the constitution. What a crazy old man heh. Have fun watching the puppet/sheep show while behind the curtain the elite collapse the USA.
10-17-2012, 10:55 PM
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Fighting over 2 puppets for the global elite. Wonderful.
This country has gone to hell in a hand basket and we havent seen anything yet. Have fun fighting over your 2 front men for the 2 party dictatorship funded by globalists, big farma, and the banks. Your freedom and sovereignty are being sent down the river.
When the dollar is finally collapsed, martial law is here, and world government is put into place...just remember the crazy old man speaking of ending the fed, the gold standard and the constitution. What a crazy old man heh. Have fun watching the puppet/sheep show while behind the curtain the elite collapse the USA.
This country has gone to hell in a hand basket and we havent seen anything yet. Have fun fighting over your 2 front men for the 2 party dictatorship funded by globalists, big farma, and the banks. Your freedom and sovereignty are being sent down the river.
When the dollar is finally collapsed, martial law is here, and world government is put into place...just remember the crazy old man speaking of ending the fed, the gold standard and the constitution. What a crazy old man heh. Have fun watching the puppet/sheep show while behind the curtain the elite collapse the USA.
10-18-2012, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE=senicalj4579;16819765]Fighting over 2 puppets for the global elite. Wonderful.
This country has gone to hell in a hand basket and we havent seen anything yet. Have fun fighting over your 2 front men for the 2 party dictatorship funded by globalists, big farma, and the banks. Your freedom and sovereignty are being sent down the river.
When the dollar is finally collapsed, martial law is here, and world government is put into place...just remember the crazy old man speaking of ending the fed, the gold standard and the constitution. What a crazy old man heh. Have fun watching the puppet/sheep show while behind the curtain the elite collapse the USA.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I'm still going to write in Ron Paul's name, since I don't support either of those two.
This country has gone to hell in a hand basket and we havent seen anything yet. Have fun fighting over your 2 front men for the 2 party dictatorship funded by globalists, big farma, and the banks. Your freedom and sovereignty are being sent down the river.
When the dollar is finally collapsed, martial law is here, and world government is put into place...just remember the crazy old man speaking of ending the fed, the gold standard and the constitution. What a crazy old man heh. Have fun watching the puppet/sheep show while behind the curtain the elite collapse the USA.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I'm still going to write in Ron Paul's name, since I don't support either of those two.
10-18-2012, 08:18 AM
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You are describing problems I totally agree exist. The revolving door, the need for campaign finance reform, too much lobbying. From what I understand, your position is that decreasing government will decrease the corruption?
I certainly understand if that's your position, but that that doesn't solve corruption in government. That simply reduces the effects. And it increases the extent to which corporations can exploit the people for profit.
I certainly understand if that's your position, but that that doesn't solve corruption in government. That simply reduces the effects. And it increases the extent to which corporations can exploit the people for profit.
To solve corruption without reducing the good things government provides you simply need more regulation of corporations who attempt to influence it. By regulating how much money politicians can accept you can make them beholden to their voting constituents again and not businesses who bankrolled their campaign. You said you can "hold my elected official accountable for not listening and voting in accordance with their constituents desires." But you can't really, you can write him a letter but as a private citizen you do not wield enough influence to convince him to vote in favor of his constituents when he can vote in favor of the corporation who can pay to convince his constituents to vote for him. Regulation of business returns the disproportionate political power wielded by private corporations back to the public.
Also, how many loners do you know of that changed a government? None? Oh, I know. Thats why, as citizens, we need to unite and make our collective voices heard. Im trying to get involved telling everyone I know to vote Libertarian so that in 4 years we can maybe have another voice on the national stage.... thats the difference I am trying to make, what are YOU doing about it? I know its not going to happen overnight but I dont care, thats the American in me.... Im not going down without the proverbial fight.
And for those that want to write in Ron Paul... let me remind you that Ron Paul endorsed Gary Johnson... the Libertarian candidate. Please, PLEASE vote for Gary if you are thinking of writing in Ron Paul. Make a difference, help the Libertarians secure 3% of the national vote so that they get federal funding next go round. Change... it doesnt come from the same 2 parties that have been ******* our country up for the last 200 years.
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10-18-2012, 09:20 AM
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So you want to regulate how much money POLITICIANS can accept by regulating CORPORATIONS.... how about we regulate how much money POLITICIANS can accept by regulating POLITICIANS? Of course all this chatter is a moot point until we have people in Washington that care more about America than their bank accounts.
I want to regulate the amount of money corporations can give to politicians...
Because corporations have more money (and thus power in Washington) than the average citizen can ever hope to have.
10-18-2012, 09:51 AM
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To solve corruption without reducing the good things government provides you simply need more regulation of corporations who attempt to influence it. By regulating how much money politicians can accept you can make them beholden to their voting constituents again and not businesses who bankrolled their campaign.
What I dont understand is where is all this trust coming from that the Government is going to do the right thing by you? Have they yet to accomplish that?
10-18-2012, 09:57 AM
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