You never disappoint me brother...

 

Never ask for tuning "advice" (aka whos fault) on this forum (much less any forum)... 98% of the people in this thread couldn't even setup a BS3 base map and it is full on retard easy.

Don't know the details (honestly tried to skim the thread but I realized why I don't post on this forum anymore) but **** happens doesn't matter if god himself tuned the car anything CAN and WILL happen at some point.

Khenry I still remember when your car showed up with that Kenjo kit. With the ProEFI I wouldn't let anyone besides Chris D. tune it so good choice.

 

Just got off the phone with the OP and this will be another happy customer of LME, Bad Chad, and D3PE. Another Houston Camaro dragging other local shop's CTSVs and C7s. If you're starting a build PLEASE contact me on who to use and not to use in the Houston area, I will save you 10's of thousands of dollars and lots of heartache.

 

I don`t tune, wasn`t asking for advice. Just curious if how the car was acting could have cause the issue and if it was possible the tune. I do feel their is a lot to learn on this forum good and bad about folks. No matter how good you build a motor a bad tune will destroy it really quickly. Speaking the truth isn`t drama or a lie, It`s letting other`s know what happen to me! It took me 3-4 months to decide to ask the questions!

 

I've had the worst builds money could buy until I learned how to do it myself and get a tuner that cared so yes Chris Delgado gets this car and all of my future cars. Customer service is everything to me. LME and Chris Delgado (D3PE) are stand up companies that will handle your build like it was their own. The OP got bent over and what goes around comes around. When it's done this time he'll be able to call out any street car that shop builds in confidence just like I can. If any other local shop has a street car that wants to meet at the track or Mexico hit me up.

 

Well since you are going with D3 now ask Chris how well he likes those ID injectors? You may not like the answer you hear and also explain why things happened.

I am in now way implying this story is a lie or anything like that. We've known each other since 2003/2004 and you've never lied about a thing. I also know it wasn't sure your intent for some of the other post that came along with it.

And a little something to think about you had a stock motor and power levels were high but not to high... Not every motor in the same car is created the same... If it was not an injector failure could have been something as a weaker factory part on the day your engine was assembled. My Porsche motor stock made 868rwhp and my brothers stock Porsche motor just made 898rwhp. Mine did for about 6k miles (4k being on race gas) and Matt's is still trucking along. Now if we took 20 Porsche motors and did the exact same setup and tune I bet maybe 5 would actually last more than a few dyno pulls. It's the only problem when dealing with factory engines. You can't be 100% sure that motor will be as strong as the next.

 

I had Gforce build me an engine and fix my shitty Kenjo kit, the day I picked up the car and drove it home (45 miles) it had drank 1 gallon of water and 1 qt of oil. I called Robert/Mike as soon as I pulled in the garage and was told "that's the nature of the beast with a turbo car just keep an eye on it and top it off when need be." They refused to look at the car and I was told they had the wrong waste gate spring in when they made the first pull on the dyno by someone that worked there back then. So yes I got screwed and when I pulled the heads off there was a Crack between #5 and #7 cylinders. Long story short that IS NOT THE NATURA OF A TURBO CAR. I make over 1600whp with a good build and tune and my car drinks neither water or oil.

 

Didn't know you broke the 1600rwhp marker! Car should go some high 7s @ 175-180mph without a problem! I doubt our 85mm 434ci SBF will make but about 1450-1500rwhp (on the dyno) and hope to run some 4.5X's with it and we have to weigh 3350. So at 1600+ at 3600lbs the car should be as close to the numbers our X275 should run.

 

Went 8.8 on 20 psi and got kicked off because I don't have a license. Been running on 31psi on the street, just haven't got it down the track with that power yet.

 

I don`t disagree with you at all about parts failing. My question was about the car falling on its face, backfiring then pulling like crazy. Car wouldn`t idle at low rpm`s and was brought back several times to fix and handed back to me in the same way. Car ran like a champ until I ran hard for the first time and the cats plugged. Then after 3 different times them make adjustments to the tune the car was backfiring, still bad idle, and then the motor damage and they didn`t know the cats were plugged until they were going to put it back on the dyno to see what was up. If car was running well from day one I would never have ask about the tune. I can promise you this bro, just saying! Everyone makes mistakes in life, it`s how we handle them and others make us who we are! It`s called good business! Then they come on my post and say you offered me a discounted price for rebuild which never happened. His post was deleted from mine but I saved it in my E-mail! I`m truly a stand up person, but I know when I feel something isn`t right. Just saying...
I would have thought they would have pulled the injector when they had it to tell me it was the issue. That didn`t happen, so this points in a different direction correct?

 

I run ID injectors in Matt's 997TT and I had them in my car when it was running on E85. There have been post on other forums where they have acted up and then were fine and some where it just failed. While installing my motor a year or two ago I actually had one that stuck closed. We fought for a few hours looking what was causing the misfire and I remembered I could fire each injector and coil under the ProEFI to test and sure enough we found our problem. It also made a LOUD boom a few times when I still had fuel in the cylinders I'd test the coil on.

It's not something most even think to ever look at it since it shouldn't be an issue. As I said things do happen that we don't likely expect. Unless they had experienced one fail there was no reason to check. It took us a few hours to figure it out because I had complete control of EVERYTHING ECU wise (no factory ECU involved). If it were still stock ECU I would have been screwed. Also its a platform that both my brother and I know like the back of our hands but even then had I not known how to test each injector it would have been days upon days of figuring it out.

 

Regardless I hope for the best for you David I'm sure Khenry has you set up with the "right" people. You will be able to enjoy the car even after this set back.

But to me I will always continue to suggest G-Force when it comes to LSx based platforms in our area. But what do I know about building/owning anything fast?

 

When I say the "right" people I mean people that will stand behind their work and product, and not just look for an excuse to pawn the issue back on you and your wallet. People that will work with you when an issue arises, be it part failure, tuning issues, etc. I recently had a timing chain break, went to LME and they replaced the chain and every valve in my heads and didn't charge me a dime. Chris has spent more hours than I can even begin to add up on my tune and getting the car down the track and has stopped making money off of me over a year ago, and still wants to go to the track/street with me to better the car. I'm not sore over the issue any more, but David is a friend of mine and it sucks seeing the same treatment happen to him. If more people would speak up about their shop experience without a mod deleting the post because that shop is a paid sponsor they would then be held responsible because of the repercussions of negative exposure. I guarantee more people would get better treatment, and $ h! T wouldn't just get swept under the rug like in my case.

 

Damn, even after others jump in here G Force has yet to show up unless I am missing something. KH's car has been around enough he should know who does good work for sure.

 

mike or someone from gforce posted then the post vanished. everyone who gets email notifications of an update to the thread has an email of what was said.

 

You mean KH car has been to just about every shop LOL! But I don't gauge anything on ONE car I built or the ONE experience I've had even if it's gone through multiple motors. I've built a lot of cars WAY more than the average person. And as much as some small shops. I have a good idea of how to build a car and who to use. All I will say is I don't think the shops that KH put you on to will save you any money. BUT they will probably build you a decent car. Bad Chad will definately save you some money, but he's the exception for the shops around the Houston area.

 

He'll be in good hands. Bad Chad for R&R, LME for the long block, and D3 for the tuning. Saving money doesn't always mean how much you spend upfront. In most cases it means how much you don't have to spend down the road in repairs.

 

True that. I don't think Inspector12 knew about us building him a trans, but I definitely wouldn't call our transmissions "cheap".

They're "competitively priced"

 

The Cheap comment was about what he posted he was looking for. I know nothing about you guys and so wouldn't comment on your work for sure. I just know that he saw the guys place that I've been using since the early 90's, and thought I had set him up or something, because its not a new nice looking facilty. And thats fine. But he needs to shut up about it, because he didn't even use him to know what he is capable of building. Like my buddy Arts Camaro with a 4L80, that had been to another well know trany shop three times before he went to my guy. Full wieght even a stereo sytem etc...

 

Your right about the upfront money being spent wisely for sure.