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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 12:14 PM
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(I have a 6 speed) I took a little road trip yesterday and drove at some high speeds ~100 mph for some short periods of time. After the trip, when I was driving around town whenever I would let off the gas and "engine brake" to slow down, I heard a howling type noise. I guess it would be similar to a rear end that whines-something gear related. It makes the noises in different gears, but more so at lower speeds, (couldnt tell at all above 50mph).

This only happend when I am in gear and let off the gas. If I push the clutch in or barely get on the gas the noise immedietly goes away.
Im thinking its either the tranny or something in the engine. Im going to check my fluids now and tell you how that goes but I wanted to get some info from you guys.
Maybe it was just that the engine was hot (normal temp on guage though), but I dont really want to drive it anymore without some info on what it could be. If theres any more info you need, I can tell you

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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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It sounds like the rearend to me. Start by checking the fluid level, Hopefully that's the problem...
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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How many miles are on it?
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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I checked the trans fluid and its good. the motor oil was about to reach 3000 so I replaced that. The car has 48,000 miles on it. I got it when it had 45,000.
I recently bought a MAC rear girdle to strengthen the rearend a little and when I had the cover off I looked at everything and it appeared to be ok. I replaced it with new fluid(royal purple) and put the new girdle on according to its directions. My pinion seal is leaking quite a bit but apparently everyone so it everybody elses. I recently added some more fluid to bring it back up to the top. (havent checked it yet since the problem started, about to...)
Do you think its my gears that are going bad, what is it that makes that noise? I drove it to pick up some new oil and it still makes the noise while engine braking, but not while cruising with the accelerator depressed a little bit
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 04:00 PM
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the diff fluid was just a little bit low, it didnt take much to fill it to the top...
wouldnt the rear gears whine all the time, and more so at higher speeds
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I did a bunch of searching and found that its probably the rear end, one guy spun the carrier bearings and then messed up the gear mesh causing the wine. maybe the girdle bearing cap load bolts caused the bearings to mess up? if its just the gears would some new gears solve the problem?

I got the car from carmax and got the extened warranty ( a separate independent company). there was no clear rules that they told me about what voids the warranty but Im sure if they saw the mods I have done they would try to deny the coverage. I can take it to any car shop to get work but they might send someone to check the car out before they pay for it.
any suggestions?
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSteele
I got the car from carmax and got the extened warranty ( a separate independent company). there was no clear rules that they told me about what voids the warranty but Im sure if they saw the mods I have done they would try to deny the coverage. I can take it to any car shop to get work but they might send someone to check the car out before they pay for it.
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Apparently Aon is the company that does the Carmax extended warranties. I found a page talking about their policies: http://www.insurancepoliciesonline.c...n/aon_faq.html
1. Who are the companies behind Vehicle Security Care?
Vehicle Security Care is provided through Virginia Surety Company Inc. and Automotive Warranty Services. Virginia Surety Company, Inc. is rated 'A' Excellent, by A.M. Best; Automotive Warranty Services, as part of the Aon Warranty Group, has been administering extended service contracts for 40 years.
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6. What kind of vehicles are NOT eligible?
The following vehicles are not eligible for the Vehicle Security Care plan: Commercial use; non-US specification (gray market); vehicles over 9 years old; vehicles with over 100,000 miles; parts modified from original equipment; vehicles with non-standard titles (lemon, salvage, etc). Certain restrictions apply to specific makes and models.
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11. What do I do when I have a claim?
When you have a claim, you may take your vehicle to any licensed repair facility of your choice. Notify the shop that you have an Vehicle Security Care extended service plan. On your plan documents, you will have a toll free claim phone number. The shop will call the claim department when your vehicle arrives to begin the claim process. Once the problem is diagnosed, they will call for approval. When the work is done, they call the claim department a final time for payment. You can then pick up your car and will only have to pay the selected deductible.
So assuming the policies are about the same for your plan, it sounds like they wouldn't provide coverage anymore if they find out about the mods, but the good news is it sounds like they do everything over the phone and don't send anybody out to examine the vehicle.

If you're worried, you might want to try to swap as many as you can of the more obvious mods back to stock before taking it in. I've seen people mention doing that.
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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my friend works at Ernie Guzman pontiac/gmc and he said when there is extended warrenty work they call in and on some of the larger $ repairs they might send out a rep to check it out. he said they really only check to see if there really is a problem and dont spend much time finding possible ways to deny the claim. (not sure what warranty companies do this) My under car mods are LT headers, ORY, cutout, red (color)LCAs and a red PHB. these pretty noticible!
Im going to pull the cover off my rear end and check it out tomorrow morning.

time for a poll,
what do you think about these two options:
1. take the car in and hope for the best (and if they want to deny it, try to argue that they never explained the "terms" before they sold me the warranty. Or try to raise hell and say if you arent going to honor my warranty then give me my money back)
2. take off my headers and put the stock stuff back on(requires going to muffler shop) and take it in then swap everything back out later (PITA x2!)

I have my stock rims/tires on now so it dosent look as "race like"
seems like a big company, and this is would be my first claim
Im thinking of option 1...
BTW thanks "tech apprentice"!
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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If you're sure you never received any information about the 'terms', never signed any paperwork where it might have been in fine print you overlooked, etc... then I'd say Option 1 sounds good
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Good Luck with that. i got screwed on my warranty when the syncros in my tranny went out. they came out and took a look and the first thing they saw was my bald back tires. they denied me because of that and my cat-back exhaust.
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Just took the cover off and took some pics. They oil was put in maybe 1,000 miles ago and it seems pretty dark. I couldnt find any metal pieces or cracks when I looked around.
I ran a magnet through the oil and picked up a couple tiny metal pieces, but if I hold the oil pan at the right angle it kind of glitters like theres "metal dust" in there. The picture of the oil looks worse than it did normally (the flash probably makes the particles more visible)

I dont know much about rear ends, is this normal or a warning sign for failure?
please share any info/advice you can think of
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