Roger Clements on Roids
10-03-2006, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hawgs
You know what I've "been saying" for a long time? It's "rediculous" how much of an idiot you are.
Roger has always been a big frame guy, look at his Red Sox days. Sure he has gained weight, but who hasn't from the age of 30 to 44. It's not like he was a small framed person all his life who just exploded after his prime (Barry Bonds).
Get a clue.
Roger has always been a big frame guy, look at his Red Sox days. Sure he has gained weight, but who hasn't from the age of 30 to 44. It's not like he was a small framed person all his life who just exploded after his prime (Barry Bonds).
Get a clue.
There's really no point in arguing because we'll probably never know the truth anyway.
10-03-2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hawgs
Clemens pitching in the WBC sealed the deal with me on the steriod issue. He wouldn't subject himself to olympic testing if he was on HGH or steroids.
BOSS APPROVED!
10-03-2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Urban Legend
Here are a few: Evander Holifield, Barry Bonds, Ronnie Coleman...
I guess I didn't make the point of that statement clear. Hawgs was comparing his weight gain to the average middle age man. I wasn't trying to say no one over 35 trains hard. My point was that Clemens is not an average person and doesn't sit on his *** as much as the average 30-44 year old. The weight clemens has gained isn't belly fat. I gurantee you his bf is below 10%. To put on solid mass and keep it(while in a starting pitching rotation) is hard to do without being able to recover quickly.
OT
For you guys over 35, it's legal to go to the doctor and have your hormone levels checked. If testosterone or gh is low in the body you can get them legally prescribed to you, and insurance will even cover the cost in some cases.
Sorry, I was blessed with good math and science skills- not english.
10-04-2006, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Urban Legend
I am blessed with none of them. I still passed english, math, and geology in College. Yeah booooooooooy!
historical geology =
10-04-2006, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hawgs
You know what I've "been saying" for a long time? It's "rediculous" how much of an idiot you are.
Roger has always been a big frame guy, look at his Red Sox days. Sure he has gained weight, but who hasn't from the age of 30 to 44. It's not like he was a small framed person all his life who just exploded after his prime (Barry Bonds).
Get a clue.
Roger has always been a big frame guy, look at his Red Sox days. Sure he has gained weight, but who hasn't from the age of 30 to 44. It's not like he was a small framed person all his life who just exploded after his prime (Barry Bonds).
Get a clue.
FWIW, you don't gain "frame" by taking steroids you dolt, you gain muscle mass. "Get a clue." ::whackoffmotion::
10-04-2006, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TRANSdAMn 2k
Okay let me rephrase. Work Attitude + Juice = unbelievable(on a guy with that much natural ability). I love when people say its cheating and think that just because you stick a needle in your *** your automatically stronger. Barry Bonds is one of the greatest hitters to ever walk on a diamond. He has unbelievable talent combined with the latest "technology ." He found a way to be successfull in the highest level of play possible. If you only knew how much of that is still going on, from low A to the show, you'd be chopping a lot of ********* off(if you could find them ). 
." He found a way to be successfull in the highest level of play possible. If you only knew how much of that is still going on, from low A to the show, you'd be chopping a lot of ********* off(if you could find them ). Competitive nature... my fuken ***. All sports have rules to keep things on a level playing field. I suppose that if someone cheats and just dominates in racing, but gets caught later down the road, does everything stay the same because it was their desire to be successful?
And besides, if you have natural talent... why would you need that ****? Bonds was hitting homers when he was still a toothpick. The desire to be the greatest doesnt mean that the laws dont matter.
10-04-2006, 06:44 PM
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Read the book Game of Shadows or go look up bonds stats pre 2000's and compare them to post 2000's. His career improved tremendously. These guys have rediculous natural talent, and they're competing with others that have great natural talent.
Let me ask you this DSIM, Let's say your a minor league player and the past few seasons you were just a few home runs to short and a few points below a nice batting average. You had the oppurtunity to take some enhancers which would just put you over the top and make you shine. You take them and next season you do phenomenal. The big man calls you up and you are now making millions of dollars living the dream.
Do you think you'd still feel the same way if you were in a situation like that?
Let me ask you this DSIM, Let's say your a minor league player and the past few seasons you were just a few home runs to short and a few points below a nice batting average. You had the oppurtunity to take some enhancers which would just put you over the top and make you shine. You take them and next season you do phenomenal. The big man calls you up and you are now making millions of dollars living the dream.
Do you think you'd still feel the same way if you were in a situation like that?
10-04-2006, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by I <3 80057
Yeah McGuire is a ******* coward. I have a solution:
LET ALL PLAYERS IN MLB USE STEROIDS. There's your level playing field,
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LET ALL PLAYERS IN MLB USE STEROIDS. There's your level playing field,
.I like the way you think. NFL players can have 12 times the normal limit of testosterone and still pass the test.
10-04-2006, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TRANSdAMn 2k
Read the book Game of Shadows or go look up bonds stats pre 2000's and compare them to post 2000's. His career improved tremendously.
Originally Posted by TRANSdAMn 2k
Let me ask you this DSIM, Let's say your a minor league player and the past few seasons you were just a few home runs to short and a few points below a nice batting average. You had the oppurtunity to take some enhancers which would just put you over the top and make you shine. You take them and next season you do phenomenal. The big man calls you up and you are now making millions of dollars living the dream.
Do you think you'd still feel the same way if you were in a situation like that?
Do you think you'd still feel the same way if you were in a situation like that?
Without being in that situation, I cant give you an honest opinion. What I would hope I would do is work on batting. If I want to bulk up, do it the natural way... in the gym WITHOUT steroids. Besides, I wouldnt have the shadow of my father and his friends over me... personally, thats what I think this is all about.... someone trying to impress his family by being better than them, no matter the costs.
10-04-2006, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TRANSdAMn 2k
I like the way you think. NFL players can have 12 times the normal limit of testosterone and still pass the test.
10-04-2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by I <3 80057
Yeah McGuire is a ******* coward. I have a solution:
LET ALL PLAYERS IN MLB USE STEROIDS. There's your level playing field, .
LET ALL PLAYERS IN MLB USE STEROIDS. There's your level playing field,
.What about the kids????? Kids in high school that want to be able to compete at the professional level have to start there, and then they start to take steroids and ruin their own lives. Its already a HUGE problem, that would only make it worse.
10-04-2006, 09:01 PM
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man some of yal crack me up..
Most of yal know who Ken Caminiti was. He was the first player who admitted to doin the juice. My old roomates dad ran the rehab center where he went for his coke addiction(witch killed him)
here is some of the stuff he told me and my roomate who is now in the minors
@85%( dunno how accurate he was but i doubt he would just lie to us) of the players take them
Most of them DO NOT take them to get bigger but to be able to keep up their endurance. Think about how many games they play. Think about the tearning down of the shoulder the pitchers take each game..Most used a type of steriod to help repair/lubercate their joints and to help repair muscle tearage.
IF they didnt take juice most took HGH Ken had a whole damn refridgerator of that **** in his garage ( witch he had some bad assss cars btw) he plugged a needle up to his stomache and pumped that into it weekly.
Point is in every professional sport athletes take "performance enhancers" they have to in this day in age to keep up. As far as Roger or Andy taking them who the **** knows...some dousche bag probably threw their names out since everyone got the **** over Bonds and his egotistic ***
Most of yal know who Ken Caminiti was. He was the first player who admitted to doin the juice. My old roomates dad ran the rehab center where he went for his coke addiction(witch killed him)
here is some of the stuff he told me and my roomate who is now in the minors
@85%( dunno how accurate he was but i doubt he would just lie to us) of the players take them
Most of them DO NOT take them to get bigger but to be able to keep up their endurance. Think about how many games they play. Think about the tearning down of the shoulder the pitchers take each game..Most used a type of steriod to help repair/lubercate their joints and to help repair muscle tearage.
IF they didnt take juice most took HGH Ken had a whole damn refridgerator of that **** in his garage ( witch he had some bad assss cars btw) he plugged a needle up to his stomache and pumped that into it weekly.
Point is in every professional sport athletes take "performance enhancers" they have to in this day in age to keep up. As far as Roger or Andy taking them who the **** knows...some dousche bag probably threw their names out since everyone got the **** over Bonds and his egotistic ***
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Originally Posted by DSIM
What about the kids????? Kids in high school that want to be able to compete at the professional level have to start there, and then they start to take steroids and ruin their own lives. Its already a HUGE problem, that would only make it worse.
10-06-2006, 01:18 PM
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Roger Clemens:
20+ years ago:
10 years ago:
2 years ago:
Always a big boy
Mark McGwire:
20+ years ago:
8-10 years ago:
3-4 years ago:
From normal to a bat boy terrorizing Gorilla
20+ years ago:
10 years ago:
2 years ago:
Always a big boy
Mark McGwire:
20+ years ago:
8-10 years ago:
3-4 years ago:
From normal to a bat boy terrorizing Gorilla