Astros trade
Originally Posted by -Ross-
To be perfectly honest, I'm quite tired of Clemens' bullshit. He's a great pitcher, but his indecision to play and his 1/2 season pitching schedule is lame.
100% agree with you there. Especially listening to sports radio here in Dallas. They were suckin his **** until he decided to stay with the Astros... then it was bash city. Just hang up your glove, havent you made enough money?
Originally Posted by DSIM
100% agree with you there. Especially listening to sports radio here in Dallas. They were suckin his **** until he decided to stay with the Astros... then it was bash city. Just hang up your glove, havent you made enough money?
How you get around this Clemens hate is to come to a realization that Clemens is going to do what he wants to do and knows he has a spot in the rotation if he wants it. There is always room and money for him if he wants to pitch. You plan your team as if he won't be there and if he wants to pitch... then that's a bonus.
You can't look at him like a regular free agent starting pitcher. You look at him as an added bonus to a team, not as a player that makes or breaks the team.
Originally Posted by -Ross-
To be perfectly honest, I'm quite tired of Clemens' bullshit. He's a great pitcher, but his indecision to play and his 1/2 season pitching schedule is lame.
Although this guy was pitching at Coors, his numbers aren't great. He had some strong games last year. Hopefully he'll be able to keep that up and get some good run support. I would rather have Garland, but oh well.
Originally Posted by Sinister04L
Although this guy was pitching at Coors, his numbers aren't great. He had some strong games last year. Hopefully he'll be able to keep that up and get some good run support. I would rather have Garland, but oh well.
Originally Posted by hawgs
I don't see how any team could benefit negativily from Roger Clemens being on their team. That said, I don't think the Astros are going to be pursuing him hard... they'll probably say "You know how much the check is for and where to pick it up if you want to pitch. Hope to se you soon."
If we would have made it to the playoffs last season, he would have been a wrecking ball for us.
If we would have made it to the playoffs last season, he would have been a wrecking ball for us.
No doubt the man can still pitch, but we saw what happened a couple years back when they were banking on Beltran resigning.
Performance wise, you wont lose anything with him.
agree chad, i can live with roger not being sure and only wanting to pitch half a season. They just better not not bank on it and miss other opportunities. i think they've learned their lesson
Staging Lane
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I was all for Jon Garland, But compare these stats.. Win/Loss record isn't always telling of how good of a year a pitcher had, as we all know here in Houston if the batting isn't there, there is nothing a pitcher can do.
Jason Jennings
ERA= 3.78
SO = 142
ER = 89
Jon Garland
ERA = 4.51
SO = 112
ER = 106
Maybe Jason Jennings wasn't such a bad deal after all
I aslo agree that they shouldnt wait for Roger to make up his mind...i truly believe that if he'd played the entire season, we would have made the playoffs..this i wanna play/ i dont wanna play, half season BS just isnt gonna cut it...hope the astros have learned their lesson.
Jason Jennings
ERA= 3.78
SO = 142
ER = 89
Jon Garland
ERA = 4.51
SO = 112
ER = 106
Maybe Jason Jennings wasn't such a bad deal after all
I aslo agree that they shouldnt wait for Roger to make up his mind...i truly believe that if he'd played the entire season, we would have made the playoffs..this i wanna play/ i dont wanna play, half season BS just isnt gonna cut it...hope the astros have learned their lesson.
Last edited by rob2269; Dec 13, 2006 at 06:35 PM.
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Originally Posted by rob2269
truly believe that if he'd played the entire season, we would have made the playoffs..this i wanna play/ i dont wanna play, half season BS just isnt gonna cut it...hope the astros have learned their lesson.
I'd much rather have him the second half fresh than worn out in the second half. If they would have scored some runs last year they would have made the playoffs.
Originally Posted by chadtx01
He may have, but thats about all he did. I hate seeing him go, I really liked him and I thought he stepped into a tough role when he took over for Beltran, but he wasnt anything special at the plate.
His speed inflated his average alot. He didnt drive runs in, and honestly last year he didnt take advantage of his speed. He should have 70 sb's easy, but how many did he end up with?
His speed inflated his average alot. He didnt drive runs in, and honestly last year he didnt take advantage of his speed. He should have 70 sb's easy, but how many did he end up with?
Originally Posted by cantdrv65
I heard the Astros reasoning for dealing taveras this morning and it makes sense actually....They have a rookie coming up with very similar skills but supposedly a little better hitter. Im pretty good with this deal after hearing more details.
Pence is still on probation from his DUI
Originally Posted by rob2269
I was all for Jon Garland, But compare these stats.. Win/Loss record isn't always telling of how good of a year a pitcher had, as we all know here in Houston if the batting isn't there, there is nothing a pitcher can do.
Jason Jennings
ERA= 3.78
SO = 142
ER = 89
Jon Garland
ERA = 4.51
SO = 112
ER = 106
Maybe Jason Jennings wasn't such a bad deal after all
I aslo agree that they shouldnt wait for Roger to make up his mind...i truly believe that if he'd played the entire season, we would have made the playoffs..this i wanna play/ i dont wanna play, half season BS just isnt gonna cut it...hope the astros have learned their lesson.
Jason Jennings
ERA= 3.78
SO = 142
ER = 89
Jon Garland
ERA = 4.51
SO = 112
ER = 106
Maybe Jason Jennings wasn't such a bad deal after all
I aslo agree that they shouldnt wait for Roger to make up his mind...i truly believe that if he'd played the entire season, we would have made the playoffs..this i wanna play/ i dont wanna play, half season BS just isnt gonna cut it...hope the astros have learned their lesson.
Another thing to consider... Taveras got a 1 year contract in 2006, so he'd be a free agent after this year and Scott Boras is his agent. I'm sure that had a lot to do with them shopping/trading him.
Originally Posted by rob2269
this i wanna play/ i dont wanna play, half season BS just isnt gonna cut it...hope the astros have learned their lesson.
I really don't understand all this hatred for Clemens. He isn't affecting any decisions made by the team.
Dont get me wrong, I want to see Clemens pitch for the Astros next year. I dont think it will happen but I'd love to see it.
Only thing I dont want to see, is the Astros pass on a decent player because they are trying to save money for Roger, only to have him sign with the Yankees.
Only thing I dont want to see, is the Astros pass on a decent player because they are trying to save money for Roger, only to have him sign with the Yankees.
Originally Posted by chadtx01
Dont get me wrong, I want to see Clemens pitch for the Astros next year. I dont think it will happen but I'd love to see it.
Only thing I dont want to see, is the Astros pass on a decent player because they are trying to save money for Roger, only to have him sign with the Yankees.
Only thing I dont want to see, is the Astros pass on a decent player because they are trying to save money for Roger, only to have him sign with the Yankees.
Staging Lane
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
From: Houston,TX
Originally Posted by hawgs
That's just silly. Do you realize you're talking about Roger Clemens and not about Tim Redding? A half season from Clemens is better than a full season of most.
I really don't understand all this hatred for Clemens. He isn't affecting any decisions made by the team.
I really don't understand all this hatred for Clemens. He isn't affecting any decisions made by the team.
I am not a Roger hater, I love watching the guy pitch, especially in an Astros uniform. HOWEVER, I think it is incredibly unfair, and unprofessional, to hold out on the Astros. Especially if he is going to follow Pettite and head to the Yankees. If he is going to play, great... if he is going to play for the Yankees... awesome. Just tell the organization so that they can commit monies eslewhere.
I don't know this for a fact, but I imagine Roger's money has it's own budget. There is the budget that T-Pup has to work with and theres the budget if Rogers wants to come back... and they don't influence each other in any way.
I think the Astros are full steam ahead doing what they'd like to to regardless of Roger pitching. If/when he decides he wants to pitch... there's always money for Roger.
I think the Astros are full steam ahead doing what they'd like to to regardless of Roger pitching. If/when he decides he wants to pitch... there's always money for Roger.
So now were sitting at:
Oswalt
Jennings
?
Williams
?
I thought Jason would be a big name to have at #5 but what's left? Fernando, Wandy and Matt. How about that extra innings game with the Cubs. I think Dave and Dan did a great job over 3+ innings. Possible starting pitchers? Will we look elsewhere?
Oswalt
Jennings
?
Williams
?
I thought Jason would be a big name to have at #5 but what's left? Fernando, Wandy and Matt. How about that extra innings game with the Cubs. I think Dave and Dan did a great job over 3+ innings. Possible starting pitchers? Will we look elsewhere?