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Saturday

 

0235ss was the one who done it but me and him settled it like gentlemen, he mis read my first post where i said nothing about race and started running off at the mouth and realized he was wrong, He must have deleted his post where he was talking **** to me, But anyways were cool now he just mis read

 

[QUOTE=01SOMSS!;13301507]you guys are missing the whole point of this argument.
if someone is illegal and get caught by the law then YES they should be deported. the law is the law. Now the point of the argument is the new Arizona law. pulling over an individual for looking as he or she is an illegal. its racial profiling. its no different than a cop pulling over a blk male in a nice car. why? because the cop might think he stole it. or a Hispanic being pulled over because he looks like he's gang related.
Racial profiling people! say with me




It's been said before, the officer's CANNOT pull ANYBODY over for racial profiling. Will it happen, I'm pretty sure, but not to the extent most are saying. Racial Profiling, is against Federal Law, no state law will trump Federal law. Basically, Arizona is adopting the federal law on immigration, and making it state law. That's pretty much it. It is not open season on illegal immigrant's in Arizona. And the only way a officer can ask for legal paperwork, to see if a person is here illegally or not, is if that officer has probable cause BEFORE asking for legal status.

For example Julius is an immigrant from Mexico, and he is here illegally. He is walking down the street to 7-Eleven. Arizona P.D., stops him and asks for his legal status or any paperwork/identification to prove he is here legally. AGAINST THE LAW!


Julius is an immigrant from Mexico, and he is here illegally. He is walking down the street to 7-Eleven. As he is walking, he notices a car window that is down, and starts looking into the car window. He does not take anything, but he sure is looking and thinking about it! Arizona Pd, drives up and notices it. Ask him questions about the car, and why he was looking in the car if the car was not his, and nobody is in the car? Later in the detainment, the officers ask for legal paperwork. He has none. He gets turned over to I.C.E./B.P., where they will determine if he gets deported or not.
LEGAL!

That's all the law states, that officers can do now, what they could not do before. Will Profiling happen, I'm pretty sure, but not as rampant as people are speculating..........

 

[QUOTE=01SOMSS!;13301507]you guys are missing the whole point of this argument.
if someone is illegal and get caught by the law then YES they should be deported. the law is the law. Now the point of the argument is the new Arizona law. pulling over an individual for looking as he or she is an illegal. its racial profiling. its no different than a cop pulling over a blk male in a nice car. why? because the cop might think he stole it. or a Hispanic being pulled over because he looks like he's gang related.Racial profiling people! say with me

Sorry Bro.. Your wrong on this one. The Arizona law applies to checking the legal status of the individual incidental to a lawful detention based upon reasonable suspicion for another crime. It strictly prohibits their law enforcement from detaining anyone solely based on their race or suspicion of legal status alone.

On the subject of profiling, some profiling is good... Ask the Israeli's..They successfully use profiling everyday..

Also, you'd be surprised how many middle easterns, (i.e. Iraqi's) are coming into the country by way of the Arizona border and the coyote's..

 

"0235ss was the one who done it"

Is it me or does it seem like this dude's IQ drops each time he posts?

I don't know, the problem is that race or suspicion of legal status will become the probable cause.

Broken tail light and your hispanic --> high probable cause
Broken tail light and your "American looking" --> low probable cause


This law not only affect illegal immigrants that are "Hispanic" looking (based on racial profiling) but also American citizens and legal residents that are profiled as Hispanic.

Just because racial profiling is effective doesn't mean it is correct or constitutional. 3rd world countries effectively deal with theft by cutting off the hands of thieves, maybe we should follow in their foot steps

 

lol ^^^ yes indeed there hands should be cut off for stealing, That would cut down on alot of crimes if the punishment was increased on these hood rats, But no we put them up in a jail and feed them for 50 years and give them a slap on the wrist. When they get out they do the same ****. Waist of the good TAX PAYERS $ if u ask me

 

You do realize, a broken tail light is probable cause to ask if the person is here legally or not in Arizona now? It doesn't have to be a serious crime. If the person was speeding, no seat belt, music too loud etc etc, that's enough to pull over(lawful contact) and then issue ticket or warning or whatever, and then determine if the person is here legally or not. Lawful contact must be a precursor, to asking or determining legal residency,

 

Reread my post. I didn't say racial profiling, I said profiling. There's a differnece. If you think the police are going to be spending their whole day verifying every person that looks hispanic's legal status, then your mistaken. There's not enough time in the day. Profiling such as pulling over a van or big rig filled with people carrying changes of clothes, plastic water jugs etc is an example of legal profiling.

I know this has been said over and over again on this thread but here it goes again. The police already require you to provide an ID when their investigating a crime. If you can't provide an ID then, under this law, their going to verify your citizenship. If your illegal then their going to turn you over to the Border Patrol and then they'll go before an immigration judge. This law is no different than the Federal law already on the books. The federal government already trains local law enforcement in immigration laws and how to identify legal status. For example Santa Ana PD has received this training as well as alot of other local PD's. Another thing to remember is that if they're the victim of a crime then they will be allowed to legally stay to testify. Remember that the police will not be deporting people. That will still be up to Homeland Security. Alot of times people are given a notice to appear before an immigration judge and then released.

 

Are dogs that come from Mexico considered Illegal Immigrants?

I wanted to throw something completely useless out here for now.

 

If the dog doesn't obey commands in english more than likely he or she is illegal..LOL Or the dog is deaf.

 

I see what you guys are saying but I'll take the word of an actual AZ Sheriff (Pima County) w/ 52 years of experience that admits "deputies will be forced to police based on racial profiling" and deputies will find an excuse as a precursor under this law.

 

The fudge it, go back to Mexico damn illegal dogs LMAO, sorry bad joke in the middle of this thread haha.

 

Your Sheriff with 52 years of experience should be in a home taking medication for his alzheimers.. He is obviously a liberal who is taking the extreme position. You would have to force the deputies to make the initial stop in the first place, then you would have to force them to lie on their police reports. You don't think this sort of thing wouldn't get out to the press.. They would eat it up.

 

LOL... Good point. You're right, there should be more levity on this thread..

 

Note to self: When in a country illegally, do not draw unwanted attention to myself by doing stupid **** or breaking the law (again).

 

I wonder if any of this is true.................



1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters7fd8

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscrip...01/ldt..0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscrip...01/ldt.01.HTML

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANsc...01/ldt.01.HTML

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscrip...01/ldt.01.HTML http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANscri...dt.01.HTML%3E;

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANSC%2...01/ldt.01.HTML

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANscri...2/ldt..01.HTML http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscrip...t..01.HTML%3E;

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the US from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report:

12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.....eportation.PDF

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www..rense.com/general75/niht.htm http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm%3E;

14.. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.'
Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml <http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml%3E; http://ww/%20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml <http://20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml%3E;

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

 

I saw another figure that was very close to that it also was over 330 Billion.

 

when you get pulled over (doesnt matter the state) the cops ask for your driver license. That is what most of us use to prove that we belong here and that we can drive.

All this law does is allows the cops to further investigate if the person doesnt have a driver license. Kinda makes sense to me, i dont care what the color of skin is, if someone is driving (or walking or whatever) and they dont have a driver license or an ID, id be suspicious. I would want the cops to look into that persons background (especially if they were committing a crime).

its not that complicated. The opposition is making it WAY more complicated.