pima arizona sheriff's office
11-28-2011, 11:21 AM
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This is just so sad. Pima County needs to be brought down hard for the mistakes they made. That family will never be the same because of the sheriffs departments mistakes. RIP
11-28-2011, 12:57 PM
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Pretty old news man.... Seeing as you are not in AZ you have no idea on the amount of abductions, drop houses and drug houses we have here. All of the above are what was suspected of that house.... It happens all the time. Sad they hit the wrong house, but why did he not hit the floor when 10 guys came in shouting Sheriffs office?
11-28-2011, 02:05 PM
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cause when a Marines wife wakes you up saying dudes are surrounding the house and you've just fell into a good sleep after a 12 hour mine shift, you grab a weapon and prepare to fight. i dont care if they shout its the pope. to me its obvious he realized it was the cops seeing as how he never took his weapon off safe, never fired at them.
can't speak for other facets of american society, but thats what 85% of Marines would do.
can't speak for other facets of american society, but thats what 85% of Marines would do.
11-28-2011, 02:10 PM
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Welp here in az you point a gun at the Po Po (hot or on safe) they will shoot you, Known fact.
He chose poorly, and I'm glad you were so disturbed by this you posted it in two different sections of this board.
He chose poorly, and I'm glad you were so disturbed by this you posted it in two different sections of this board.
11-28-2011, 07:26 PM
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We all have to abide by the same rules right? It doesn’t matter who you are right, or because you are military (active or retired) you get special privileges? If you are busting down a door of a suspected drug/drop/or _______ house and see someone pointing a gun at you, you’re going to pull the trigger. Think if it was you going in there, you hesitate and you die. You should know that, form your implication I assume you are in the military. I’m also going to assume that you think a separate set of rules apply. Farfetched I know…… They don’t sorry to tell you.
Hope this helps to clear up the fact that I don’t care who you are rules are rules. Nobody is special and the outcome will be the same. If you point a gun at a swat team, you will get shot, your house or not.
Yes it sucks, but i understand they were doing their job. How many time has the military in a whole wasted the wrong targets? It happens, fucked I know, but it dose. Guess what they were doing their jobs as well.
Hope this helps to clear up the fact that I don’t care who you are rules are rules. Nobody is special and the outcome will be the same. If you point a gun at a swat team, you will get shot, your house or not.
Yes it sucks, but i understand they were doing their job. How many time has the military in a whole wasted the wrong targets? It happens, fucked I know, but it dose. Guess what they were doing their jobs as well.
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11-28-2011, 07:34 PM
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One thing...was it really necessary to fire 71 rounds at him?! Hitting him 22 times..and I'm pretty sure SWAT teams wear bulletproof vests!! Maybe I dont understand the whole situation but..really??!
11-28-2011, 08:13 PM
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thats a stupid comment...
lol let me shoot you with a Ar15 in the chest... ill even let you wear 2 vests... I bet you will not get up!
But I'd think the threat would have stopped after 20ish rounds?!
11-28-2011, 09:24 PM
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The same rules should apply the other way. When they cops bust into the wrong house and they all get killed it should be their tough luck. No charges.
These wild west no knock warrants are no good. It is a violation of peoples rights and a dangerous practice.
There has been far too many tragedies from these.
These wild west no knock warrants are no good. It is a violation of peoples rights and a dangerous practice.
There has been far too many tragedies from these.
11-28-2011, 10:19 PM
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The same rules should apply the other way. When they cops bust into the wrong house and they all get killed it should be their tough luck. No charges.
These wild west no knock warrants are no good. It is a violation of peoples rights and a dangerous practice.
There has been far too many tragedies from these.
These wild west no knock warrants are no good. It is a violation of peoples rights and a dangerous practice.
There has been far too many tragedies from these.
Again it sucks it happend, but mistakes happen. It happens everyday, everywhere.
11-28-2011, 10:41 PM
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The same rules should apply the other way. When they cops bust into the wrong house and they all get killed it should be their tough luck. No charges.
These wild west no knock warrants are no good. It is a violation of peoples rights and a dangerous practice.
There has been far too many tragedies from these.
These wild west no knock warrants are no good. It is a violation of peoples rights and a dangerous practice.
There has been far too many tragedies from these.
11-28-2011, 10:44 PM
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11-28-2011, 11:01 PM
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If living in fear of abductions is part of life in Arizona then maybe that’s the reason this Marine grabbed his weapon when he heard people forcing their way into his family home.
If someone points a weapon at a law enforcement officer (or anyone else) in a public place and the gunman is shot without warning, I think that things went well. If police knock on a residence and wait for the occupant to open the door and the occupant raises a weapon and gets shot as a result, I think things went well.
If police break in to serve a search warrant and a citizen is shot because he has a weapon with its muzzle pointed in a forward direction I think the situation is no longer clear. If I have reason to believe intruders are in my home, my weapon’s muzzle will be pointed in the direction that I am looking. I question how much of an opportunity some homeowners have had to verify the identity of the people pointing guns at them in their own homes. My fear is that some have been shot simply for having a weapon in hand. From many videos I’ve watched of SWAT searches I can understand how those inside a home would not be aware that a legitimate warrant is being served. Apparently homeowners should first check their home without a weapon. If intruders are encountered who are not with law enforcement then the homeowner should get his weapon and proceed to defend his life.
If I heard a siren and then my home was broken into I would think that a chase was in progress and a dangerous criminal had broken into my home. That error would likely result in my death.
This reminds me of a recent case where a homeowner had captured an intruder. The homeowner’s wife called 911 and made it clear that the homeowner had the intruder held at gun point. The first officer to enter the home immediately shot the homeowner. The last update I heard in that case was that doctors thought that they may amputate the homeowner’s hand as a result of his police inflicted injuries.
If someone points a weapon at a law enforcement officer (or anyone else) in a public place and the gunman is shot without warning, I think that things went well. If police knock on a residence and wait for the occupant to open the door and the occupant raises a weapon and gets shot as a result, I think things went well.
If police break in to serve a search warrant and a citizen is shot because he has a weapon with its muzzle pointed in a forward direction I think the situation is no longer clear. If I have reason to believe intruders are in my home, my weapon’s muzzle will be pointed in the direction that I am looking. I question how much of an opportunity some homeowners have had to verify the identity of the people pointing guns at them in their own homes. My fear is that some have been shot simply for having a weapon in hand. From many videos I’ve watched of SWAT searches I can understand how those inside a home would not be aware that a legitimate warrant is being served. Apparently homeowners should first check their home without a weapon. If intruders are encountered who are not with law enforcement then the homeowner should get his weapon and proceed to defend his life.
If I heard a siren and then my home was broken into I would think that a chase was in progress and a dangerous criminal had broken into my home. That error would likely result in my death.
This reminds me of a recent case where a homeowner had captured an intruder. The homeowner’s wife called 911 and made it clear that the homeowner had the intruder held at gun point. The first officer to enter the home immediately shot the homeowner. The last update I heard in that case was that doctors thought that they may amputate the homeowner’s hand as a result of his police inflicted injuries.
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cause when a Marines wife wakes you up saying dudes are surrounding the house and you've just fell into a good sleep after a 12 hour mine shift, you grab a weapon and prepare to fight. i dont care if they shout its the pope. to me its obvious he realized it was the cops seeing as how he never took his weapon off safe, never fired at them.
can't speak for other facets of american society, but thats what 85% of Marines would do.
can't speak for other facets of american society, but thats what 85% of Marines would do.